Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 3541403)

Not sure I’m following your logic here.

According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.

We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.

We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3542756)

It’s actually 34 767s. So at current staffing rate for those fleets, it’s probably closer to 600 pilots needed. As you said, those deliveries are currently scheduled to be done by June 2025. With the current rate of retirements and early retirements, that’s another 800 pilots. For a total of about 1400 needed in the next 30 months. That’s for a net gain of 32 aircraft, not staying at current size.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3542756)

It’s actually 34 767s. So at current staffing rate for those fleets, it’s probably closer to 600 pilots needed. As you said, those deliveries are currently scheduled to be done by June 2025. With the current rate of retirements and early retirements, that’s another 800 pilots. For a total of about 1400 needed in the next 30 months. That’s for a net gain of 32 aircraft, not staying at current size.

Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 3543031)

Where do you find deliveries and options outstanding? I can't find anything on FRIS or PFC.

Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 3541562)

Yeah and if my aunt had a d!ck she’d be my uncle.

Why would we make an assumption that all of the MDs would be parked without any replacements? Has there been any guidance to support that position?

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3542302)

Hate to burst your party bubble, but not yet. Seniority numbers only update in June, so with retirements since then, we are still at about 5920. Then we will have pilots retiring on Dec 31 which will probably bring us below 5900.

Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3543385)

The economy taking a ******* would be a solid reason to park the MDs without replacements. Even if we park half the MD fleet and half the airbus fleet (both relatively small fleets) we end up net negative on airplanes. It won't take much for us to shrink, honestly.

Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3543385)

Technically he's right. We currently have over 6000 pilots on the seniority list.... first time in FedEx history. He did not say "active pilots."

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3544142)

Yeah, that's what he meant and what matters. SMH:rolleyes: I bet you would argue that a $1 and hour pay raise would technically be a pay raise and the first time in our history that we were over $336 per hour.

So in June, we will technically lose pilots from the seniority list and our seniority list would technically be shrinking.

Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3544198)

When other airlines discuss the size of their seniority list they discuss it with all the pilots on it, active or not. They use the term "active pilots" to describe pilots who actively fly for the company. It really is that simple, and yes that's probably what he meant.

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3544236)

Yeah, because a pilot on the seniority list is either active, or retired, not. Point is, we have less than 6000 pilots on property. We have even less than 5920 active pilots. It really is that simple, and not what is implied by stating we have over 6000 plots on the seniority list.