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12-02-2022, 08:06 AM
#1251
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 887
Originally Posted by md11pilot11
With these numbers, FedEx only needs 1000 more to completely cover retirements through 2032 based off numbers on APC FedEx profile.
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According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
12-02-2022, 08:48 AM
#1252
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 284
Originally Posted by ClncClarence
Not sure I’m following your logic here.
According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
12-02-2022, 10:13 AM
#1253
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 132
The expected 1900 pilots retiring was mandatory retirement number and current rate has been roughly 2x the mandatory rate. 30-40% of pilot group will be retiring in next 10 years assuming no growth. I’m sure it will be a moving target over time but safe to say a lot of hiring just for attrition.
12-02-2022, 10:56 AM
#1254
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,093
Originally Posted by ClncClarence
Not sure I’m following your logic here.
According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
12-02-2022, 11:10 AM
#1255
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: PM
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by ClncClarence
Not sure I’m following your logic here.
According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
As an outsider I was just going of the information that was available to me on a basic math level. Your analysis seems much more accurate. Which I appreciate!
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12-02-2022, 11:21 AM
#1256
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 887
Originally Posted by threeighteen
If we park all of the MD-11s we end up net negative on airplanes even with the new deliveries.
Why would we make an assumption that all of the MDs would be parked without any replacements? Has there been any guidance to support that position?
12-03-2022, 04:09 AM
#1257
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Position: Lawn Dart Captain
Posts: 125
Originally Posted by threeighteen
Getting back on topic.
new class starting tomorrow.
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12-03-2022, 05:50 AM
#1258
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,820
Originally Posted by manolo1492
That class brings us just over 6000 pilots on the seniority list 🥳
Hate to burst your party bubble, but not yet. Seniority numbers only update in June, so with retirements since then, we are still at about 5920. Then we will have pilots retiring on Dec 31 which will probably bring us below 5900.
12-03-2022, 12:51 PM
#1259
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,099
Class drops..
Originally Posted by ClncClarence
Not sure I’m following your logic here.
According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
According to our ALPA page we have 1682 mandatory retirements through 2031. If they intend on staying the exact same size as we are at this moment, then we still need to hire at least that many in that timeframe.
We also still have additional airframe deliveries through 2025 to the tune of ~25 767s and ~7 777s depending on how many they have taken since September which will require another 400 pilots.
We currently have just under 6000 pilots on property. Worst case is needing to replace roughly 1/3 of that number in the next 8 years.
It’s actually 34 767s. So at current staffing rate for those fleets, it’s probably closer to 600 pilots needed. As you said, those deliveries are currently scheduled to be done by June 2025. With the current rate of retirements and early retirements, that’s another 800 pilots. For a total of about 1400 needed in the next 30 months. That’s for a net gain of 32 aircraft, not staying at current size.
12-03-2022, 01:28 PM
#1260
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 887
Originally Posted by FXLAX
It’s actually 34 767s. So at current staffing rate for those fleets, it’s probably closer to 600 pilots needed. As you said, those deliveries are currently scheduled to be done by June 2025. With the current rate of retirements and early retirements, that’s another 800 pilots. For a total of about 1400 needed in the next 30 months. That’s for a net gain of 32 aircraft, not staying at current size.
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