I remember how it used to be. I’d love for it to go back to that. I think you are more optimistic than I am about how fast things will recover. Of course the company can’t close the base overnight. Perhaps your idea of “a really long time” in relation to closing the base is different than mine. And sure, the flight from HKG to SIN/NRT is shorter, but effectively not so much in terms of getting us into position. It just means that the layover once you get to SIN etc may be shorter.

The coronavirus is ultimately only one aspect of several that affect the base. One other is that China is making it much more difficult for all types of companies to do business in HK. That change in attitude in control and regulation began before Covid, and it won’t go away after it.

Regardless, the writing is on the wall. They intend to transfer a large portion of our flying to OAK. The only question is if the company continues to see enough value in having a small base out here. And neither you nor I know that. (Btw, I hope it stays and we can get back to normal again. Six months ago I was with you and thought they would never close this base. Now I am not so sure.)

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

 

UPS has never had an Asia crew base and we have been operating intra-Asia for years so it can be done.

 

The UPS poster makes the most valid point. They do it without an Asia base. HKG could be closed in 3 months if need be. Look how much draft, housing pay, seed money, education money, return tickets, etc to keep it open. A couple deadhead tickets could be offset easily. OAK 76 and ANC 777 opened for a reason. The writing is on the wall. I find it interesting to see some of those screaming about how bad HKG was a year ago and now praying it doesn't close. They screamed and yelled themselves out of a great deal. They now realize the mistakes they made. I honestly feel bad for the group who didn't scream and yell and understood that most of the issues come with living in another country. Its goes with the territory when you bid and FDA. You cant have your cake and eat it to in all circumstances. I honestly hope things get better for the FDAs but we don't control government regulators and the knee jerk regulations and rules they make.

 

Someone in the HKG base really hurt you.

 

Just ignore him.

 

UPS does a fraction of Intra-Asia Ops relative to FDX.

 

Please stop quoting him (NoWork) so the rest of us who have blocked him don’t have to see his crap.

It’s pretty clear that a HKG guy must have f-ed his wife while he was out on a trip he couldn’t pick up for anything more than straight pay. Hence his bitterness. That, or he really should see a professional about his unfounded animosity.

 

I would be curious to see the numbers on this statement.

 

Well, to start:

FedEx has ~428 Aircraft in their main fleet
vs
UPS has ~277 Aircraft in their main fleet

FedEx IntraAsia Destinations:
https://www.airlineroutemaps.com/map...ific/Guangzhou
(we don’t fly Cebu anymore and I don’t know about the NZ stuff, otherwise the map is correct)

 

Uhhh FedEx does not have 428 aircraft flown by FedEx pilots.