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Old 11-20-2019, 06:56 AM
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The night shift

34 of the most dangerous things science has strongly linked to cancer

The International Agency for Research on Cancer in 2007 classified nighttime work as a probable carcinogen. Scientists think working at night and working long hours into the darkness can each mess with the body's natural circadian sleep and wake cycles.

International pays more
Widebody pays more

Seems dying aint much of a living

Aditionallty:
So like automobile antifreeze, aircraft deicing fluids are aqueous solutions of a glycol, or mixture of glycols, along with proprietary additives. Depending on the formulation required, the additives might include a surfactant, polymer thickening agent, pH buffer, corrosion inhibitor, flame retardant, or dye. This jet fuel, hydraulic fluid and who know whats in the cans can be carcinogens.

Ok you don't live in Tennessee but you spend your fair share of time there:
#17. Tennessee
- Cancer rate: 459.8 new incidents per 100,000 people (5.0% above U.S. average)
- Cancer rate by gender: 513.7 per 100,000 men; 422.6 per 100,000 women
- Deaths due to cancer: 180.8 per 100,000 people (13.7% above U.S. average; #6 highest among all states)

AND CHINA fugetaboutit

Pollution in Guangzhou, China

Compare Guangzhou with:
Type and Pick City
Do you live in Guangzhou? Add data for Guangzhou
Air pollution data from World Health Organization Info
PM10 72
PM2.5 48
PM10 Pollution Level: High
Index Info
Pollution Index: 75.06
Pollution Exp Scale: 133.39
Pollution in Guangzhou, China
Air Pollution
72.96 High
Drinking Water Pollution and Inaccessibility
54.76 Moderate
Dissatisfaction with Garbage Disposal
56.98 Moderate
Dirty and Untidy
56.40 Moderate
Noise and Light Pollution
61.63 High
Water Pollution
67.07 High
Dissatisfaction to Spend Time in the City
61.17 High
Dissatisfaction with Green and Parks in the City
36.63 Low
Purity and Cleanliness in Guangzhou, China
Air quality
27.04 Low
Drinking Water Quality and Accessibility
45.24 Moderate
Garbage Disposal Satisfaction
43.02 Moderate
Clean and Tidy
43.60 Moderate
Quiet and No Problem with Night Lights
38.37 Low
Water Quality
32.93 Low
Comfortable to Spend Time in the City
38.83 Low
Quality of Green and Parks
63.37 High
Contributors: 50

Last update: October 2019

GUANGZHOU Is in for the shock of it s life . If a virus hits the city ( which it will ) many will die Because health and hygeine is not important . I see suppose Young / fit /healthy men and women push and shove the old / frail and pregnet out of the way to grab a seat on the subway , Refuse to stand even if the pregnet lady is struggeling . Streets are a breading ground for infection and many accidents happen because the traffic rules are NOT enforced . The hospital s will be able to back up My statments with the amount of known entry s Not counting the ones under the radar . If You want to be a world power be a careing mature Goverement . Yes CHINA You have come a long way in a short space of time , But You are about to pay a heafty price for the rush most things are about 30% more than other country s not includeing cars and housing which is more . Your population will increase in the next 10 years so will Your problums BIG TIME
#Thomas on Oct 22, 2016 :
Oh my god, The air is polluted, city center the new town area is ok but the rest of the city is quite ugly. They clean the streets and some places they even wash but is looks gray and not clean. Taxies smell some toxic thing better to use uber, but no english speaking people and they call you on your order and when find out you are a foreigner they simply cancel most of the time. Good restaurants are expensive. Moderate ones not clean enough. There are parks but not very attractive due to hot weather and air pollution. water is even a bigger issue then air pollution. People look calm and friendly but not open due to language barrier. The city is boring for city activity, the local zoo is old and ugly, they have a nice safari park which is fine. Circus is fun for one or two visits.
Starting and operating business too expensive and complicated for foreigners, corruption is a big obstacle and business attitude is very weak.
For traders and whole sale buyers it has been a popular place for last 20 years, if it is a must you can survive for a while but for living it is a terrible place.

AH SOO You do get paid differently there. But the company denuded the benefit of x-pat/ tax $

LAX? Cost of living. Try driving a car in the hellish traffic.

So, I'm not just trolling. But how about our negotiators/FDXx considering this and ALL the risks and paying us next contract.

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Old 11-20-2019, 08:02 AM
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Fly during the day then. And not to China.
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GUANGZHOU Is in for the shock of it s life . If a virus hits the city ( which it will ) many will die Because health and hygeine is not important . I see suppose Young / fit /healthy men and women push and shove the old / frail and pregnet out of the way to grab a seat on the subway , Refuse to stand even if the pregnet lady is struggeling . Streets are a breading ground for infection and many accidents happen because the traffic rules are NOT enforced . The hospital s will be able to back up My statments with the amount of known entry s Not counting the ones under the radar . If You want to be a world power be a careing mature Goverement . Yes CHINA You have come a long way in a short space of time , But You are about to pay a heafty price for the rush most things are about 30% more than other country s not includeing cars and housing which is more . Your population will increase in the next 10 years so will Your problums BIG TIME


I thought a college degree was a requirement.....
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I thought a college degree was a requirement.....
He is clearly trying to say that the Chinese goverement is struggeling with heafty breading problums, includeing pregnet women.
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Did someone’s ten year old sneak onto their APC account? I’m hoping an educated adult didn’t actually write this.
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But he’s not a troll. If you don’t believe it, just ask him.
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“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
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Originally Posted by cwjflyer20 View Post
The night shift

34 of the most dangerous things science has strongly linked to cancer

The International Agency for Research on Cancer in 2007 classified nighttime work as a probable carcinogen. Scientists think working at night and working long hours into the darkness can each mess with the body's natural circadian sleep and wake cycles.

International pays more
Widebody pays more


Seems dying aint much of a living

Aditionallty:
So like automobile antifreeze, aircraft deicing fluids are aqueous solutions of a glycol, or mixture of glycols, along with proprietary additives. Depending on the formulation required, the additives might include a surfactant, polymer thickening agent, pH buffer, corrosion inhibitor, flame retardant, or dye. This jet fuel, hydraulic fluid and who know whats in the cans can be carcinogens.

Ok you don't live in Tennessee but you spend your fair share of time there:
#17. Tennessee
- Cancer rate: 459.8 new incidents per 100,000 people (5.0% above U.S. average)
- Cancer rate by gender: 513.7 per 100,000 men; 422.6 per 100,000 women
- Deaths due to cancer: 180.8 per 100,000 people (13.7% above U.S. average; #6 highest among all states)

AND CHINA fugetaboutit

Pollution in Guangzhou, China

Compare Guangzhou with:
Type and Pick City
Do you live in Guangzhou? Add data for Guangzhou
Air pollution data from World Health Organization Info
PM10 72
PM2.5 48
PM10 Pollution Level: High
Index Info
Pollution Index: 75.06
Pollution Exp Scale: 133.39
Pollution in Guangzhou, China
Air Pollution
72.96 High
Drinking Water Pollution and Inaccessibility
54.76 Moderate
Dissatisfaction with Garbage Disposal
56.98 Moderate
Dirty and Untidy
56.40 Moderate
Noise and Light Pollution
61.63 High
Water Pollution
67.07 High
Dissatisfaction to Spend Time in the City
61.17 High
Dissatisfaction with Green and Parks in the City
36.63 Low
Purity and Cleanliness in Guangzhou, China
Air quality
27.04 Low
Drinking Water Quality and Accessibility
45.24 Moderate
Garbage Disposal Satisfaction
43.02 Moderate
Clean and Tidy
43.60 Moderate
Quiet and No Problem with Night Lights
38.37 Low
Water Quality
32.93 Low
Comfortable to Spend Time in the City
38.83 Low
Quality of Green and Parks
63.37 High
Contributors: 50

Last update: October 2019

GUANGZHOU Is in for the shock of it s life . If a virus hits the city ( which it will ) many will die Because health and hygeine is not important . I see suppose Young / fit /healthy men and women push and shove the old / frail and pregnet out of the way to grab a seat on the subway , Refuse to stand even if the pregnet lady is struggeling . Streets are a breading ground for infection and many accidents happen because the traffic rules are NOT enforced . The hospital s will be able to back up My statments with the amount of known entry s Not counting the ones under the radar . If You want to be a world power be a careing mature Goverement . Yes CHINA You have come a long way in a short space of time , But You are about to pay a heafty price for the rush most things are about 30% more than other country s not includeing cars and housing which is more . Your population will increase in the next 10 years so will Your problums BIG TIME
#Thomas on Oct 22, 2016 :
Oh my god, The air is polluted, city center the new town area is ok but the rest of the city is quite ugly. They clean the streets and some places they even wash but is looks gray and not clean. Taxies smell some toxic thing better to use uber, but no english speaking people and they call you on your order and when find out you are a foreigner they simply cancel most of the time. Good restaurants are expensive. Moderate ones not clean enough. There are parks but not very attractive due to hot weather and air pollution. water is even a bigger issue then air pollution. People look calm and friendly but not open due to language barrier. The city is boring for city activity, the local zoo is old and ugly, they have a nice safari park which is fine. Circus is fun for one or two visits.
Starting and operating business too expensive and complicated for foreigners, corruption is a big obstacle and business attitude is very weak.
For traders and whole sale buyers it has been a popular place for last 20 years, if it is a must you can survive for a while but for living it is a terrible place.

AH SOO You do get paid differently there. But the company denuded the benefit of x-pat/ tax $

LAX? Cost of living. Try driving a car in the hellish traffic.

So, I'm not just trolling. But how about our negotiators/FDXx considering this and ALL the risks and paying us next contract.
And how long have you’ve bee with FedEx? Were you not an educated consumer before grabbing that fed Ex brass ring?

Take the charge... Don’t be a whiner... Don’t be part of the problem... Be part of the solution. Take the point... Show your mates the stuff you’re made of. Make a difference... not on APC but with your comrades.

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Old 11-20-2019, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns View Post
And how long have you’ve bee with FedEx? Were you not an educated consumer before grabbing that fed Ex brass ring?

Take the charge... Don’t be a whiner... Don’t be part of the problem... Be part of the solution. Take the point... Show your mates the stuff you’re made of. Make a difference... not on APC but with your comrades.

You can be an educated consumer and still want to improve the contract by suggesting we get night pay (or any other thing you would like to see or improved). Or maybe he didn’t know ahead of time. Not everyone can know everything about a contract before working under it and finding out how it’s interpreted and implemented in real life. I’m making a broader point, not necessarily about night pay or any other thousands of other clauses that exist or don’t exist in our contract.

To your second point, not everyone can be point on negotiating a better contract. There are a finite number of NC and MEC members. That’s not to say that you can’t post on APC and try to take point. Not that there is anything wrong with just posting ideas on APC and not planning on taking point.

We should embrace airing of ideas in whatever format pilots chose to do so. I feel that post like yours don’t help but actually deter pilots exchanging ideas just because they don’t plan on taking point on their pet peeve issue. I for one would not complain if we did get a night override.
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