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Old 06-03-2020, 08:59 AM
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Looks like its on the shorter of the 2 runways

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/76172607.cms


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Old 06-03-2020, 09:32 AM
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Above all, glad the crew was not harmed.

I wonder what the contamination level was on the runway surface. I see spray getting kicked up by reverses suggesting the surface was not dry.
Looking at the 10-9A for VABB, I don't see any reference to the runway being grooved.
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Above all, glad the crew was not harmed.

I wonder what the contamination level was on the runway surface. I see spray getting kicked up by reverses suggesting the surface was not dry.
Looking at the 10-9A for VABB, I don't see any reference to the runway being grooved.

You can see from the video that it’s actively raining but it doesn’t seem like more than light rain. At least where the person is recording from.
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by popcopy View Post
Above all, glad the crew was not harmed.

I wonder what the contamination level was on the runway surface. I see spray getting kicked up by reverses suggesting the surface was not dry.
Looking at the 10-9A for VABB, I don't see any reference to the runway being grooved.
Glad everyone is physically ok.

Just wanted to throw this out there as a lot of us, umm older folks (and younger as well) never noticed the definition of wet runway changed back in 2015. Of note, grooves no longer matter in the slightest...

https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...r/ac_25-31.pdf
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:22 AM
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I lived and worked in India for three years for a local airline. The Mumbai airport can be very challenging in heavy rain. At least when I was there in 2008-2011 there was not a single grooved runway in the entire country. Removal of accumulated rubber usually only happens after an incident prods the local authorities into action. The airport in normal times is stretched way beyond capacity causing the controllers to cram arrivals close together and push pilots to exit runways quickly. Combine that with runways with displaced thresholds and one with a higher than 3.0 glide path and that airport can be quite sporty during the Monsoon. I personally watched two go off the end while I was over there. One was an ATR running full reverse right up until it splatted stop in the mud. Takeoffs sometimes can be interesting when you hit deep pools of standing water. Glad that it sounds like everyone and the aircraft are OK.
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Airfields (anywhere) are notorious for not reporting runway conditions correctly. India sucks. Glad crew is ok.
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Looks like there was a compressor stall on the #1 engine while in reverse, according to that video.
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Originally Posted by Droopy View Post
Glad everyone is physically ok.

Just wanted to throw this out there as a lot of us, umm older folks (and younger as well) never noticed the definition of wet runway changed back in 2015. Of note, grooves no longer matter in the slightest...

https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...r/ac_25-31.pdf
A good reason to identify the lack of runway grooves as an increased threat when preparing to land on a wet/contaminated runway.
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And they freak out when storms are in the vicinity, plus you just can’t hold forever so ya tell’m bye bye my plane now.
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Originally Posted by popcopy View Post
Above all, glad the crew was not harmed.

I wonder what the contamination level was on the runway surface. I see spray getting kicked up by reverses suggesting the surface was not dry.
Looking at the 10-9A for VABB, I don't see any reference to the runway being grooved.
Whilst using heavy breaking on non grooved wet runways, water under the wheels can turn to steam, which then reverts the rubber to its natural form melting the rubber which obviously greatly reduces breaking effectiveness. That’s what you’re seeing.
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