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Old 11-17-2020 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by illconvoy91
West coast guy in the hiring pool here, Are the practice bids pretty close to how it actually goes down? Some of my friends at FDX have been thinking that it'll go pretty senior.
Yeah, there's definitely some shuffling that happens between the practice bids and the final awards but it's negligible.
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Old 11-17-2020 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
To add to your comment, you cannot be forced to an FDA as a newhire, nor excessed to one (neither HKG nor CGN).
yeah, they can not be forced to an FDA but OAK and ANC are not FDA’s, so if the openings are not filled through bidding then what options does the company have at their disposal? Could they force junior pilots into a base change that lasts until 22-01 or could they have temporary duty assignments filling the base until hiring has filled the positions or just create MEM lines that cover the OAK flying? What are the possibilities allowed per the contract?
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Old 11-17-2020 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LunkerHunter
Something to consider for newhires... you could be forced to a base other than Memphis (if practice #1 reflects final award)
I know, first world problem, but it's kind of a unique scenario that hasn't really happened here before

Being based at other than MEM is considered being forced? It actually may be a Godsend to some.
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Old 11-17-2020 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
yeah, they can not be forced to an FDA but OAK and ANC are not FDA’s, so if the openings are not filled through bidding then what options does the company have at their disposal? Could they force junior pilots into a base change that lasts until 22-01 or could they have temporary duty assignments filling the base until hiring has filled the positions or just create MEM lines that cover the OAK flying? What are the possibilities allowed per the contract?
They will do what every airline does and put new hires into that base to fill the vacancies.
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Old 11-17-2020 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Being based at other than MEM is considered being forced? It actually may be a Godsend to some.
Jackpot if you live out west.
Not so much if you live east of Memphis.
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Old 11-17-2020 | 05:18 PM
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ALPA just put out a scathing review of the practice bid packs for ANC/OAK. Looks like the OAK pairings are the greatest deviation from reality/contract. I’ve heard that from a few others who have lived through new domicile creation...practice bidpacks don’t reflect the reality in execution.

Still, for west coast commuters, it would be hard to not jump on the 4x west coast domiciles (counting ANC twice there).
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Old 11-17-2020 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
To add to your comment, you cannot be forced to an FDA as a newhire, nor excessed to one (neither HKG nor CGN).
Absolutely- I should have clarified that I meant being forced to OAK, so as not to mislead a poolie
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Old 11-17-2020 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LunkerHunter
Jackpot if you live out west.
Not so much if you live east of Memphis.

Yeah, mine was just a jab at the Memphis centric nature of your post.
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Old 11-17-2020 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Yeah, mine was just a jab at the Memphis centric nature of your post.
ah, gotcha 👍
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Old 11-18-2020 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtyPurple
ALPA just put out a scathing review of the practice bid packs for ANC/OAK. Looks like the OAK pairings are the greatest deviation from reality/contract...
Yeah, there's some nasty sample pairings in there for OAK (didn't look at ANC). Looooong nights. 3 leg nights. Red-eye deadheads. Close to min. rest on many domestic, and some of the international layovers, followed by long duty days (nights).

Some of that will be fixed on the real pairings, some of it will not.
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