Biden vaccine mandate
10-25-2021 | 08:24 AM
#31
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The number of actual employees in the judicial and legislative branches is pretty tiny compared to the executive.
You really think that the Biden administration feels they have the legal authority to mandate private companies who happen to employ an arbitrary number of employees to force their employees to get injected against their will or be fired yet not mandate the same for federal employees of the other two branches of government?
Whether it's legal or not has nothing to do with what I think, and will be determined soon enough.
But the legal issues are clearly different for the other two branches. That's constitutional fact and there's no point arguing that one. I'm not sure why the legislative hasn't done their own mandate, since both houses are controlled by the same party as the executive.
10-25-2021 | 10:56 AM
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Well it's a $14,000 fine per incident so it will affect the company. We clearly do qualify. I'm wondering if there will just be a testing option for the unvaccinated. Things most certainly will change unless the courts strike it down prior to the deadline in December.
10-25-2021 | 11:03 AM
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10-25-2021 | 11:11 AM
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In this context I meant federal employees of the executive branch.
The number of actual employees in the judicial and legislative branches is pretty tiny compared to the executive.
I've said countless times that I *personally* think the contractor mandate as applied to airline employees is over-reach. If they mandated it for contractors who have regular, ongoing contact with federal employees and customers of federal agencies (ex a security guard who screens people entering a federal building) that would make sense. But the mechanics who fix our planes have no contact with federal employees. It might be reasonable to mandate it for CS agents and FA's.
Whether it's legal or not has nothing to do with what I think, and will be determined soon enough.
But the legal issues are clearly different for the other two branches. That's constitutional fact and there's no point arguing that one. I'm not sure why the legislative hasn't done their own mandate, since both houses are controlled by the same party as the executive.
The number of actual employees in the judicial and legislative branches is pretty tiny compared to the executive.
I've said countless times that I *personally* think the contractor mandate as applied to airline employees is over-reach. If they mandated it for contractors who have regular, ongoing contact with federal employees and customers of federal agencies (ex a security guard who screens people entering a federal building) that would make sense. But the mechanics who fix our planes have no contact with federal employees. It might be reasonable to mandate it for CS agents and FA's.
Whether it's legal or not has nothing to do with what I think, and will be determined soon enough.
But the legal issues are clearly different for the other two branches. That's constitutional fact and there's no point arguing that one. I'm not sure why the legislative hasn't done their own mandate, since both houses are controlled by the same party as the executive.
95 Out of 211 House Republicans Say They Have Been Vaccinated (newsweek.com)
10-25-2021 | 02:09 PM
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The "mandate" is not official unless it is put in writing. So far we have the ravings of a senile old man who has lost at least half of what little brain matter he had.
It has been speculated that it has not been put in writing, because if it were, it would be tested in court. No writing, no court case.
If it goes to court, I doubt it would hold up. He is trying to brow beat companies into enforcing an unconstitutional mandate.
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10-25-2021 | 05:08 PM
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I thought it was only 2 COVID deaths. I had not heard about a third one.
The "mandate" is not official unless it is put in writing. So far we have the ravings of a senile old man who has lost at least half of what little brain matter he had.
It has been speculated that it has not been put in writing, because if it were, it would be tested in court. No writing, no court case.
If it goes to court, I doubt it would hold up. He is trying to brow beat companies into enforcing an unconstitutional mandate.
The "mandate" is not official unless it is put in writing. So far we have the ravings of a senile old man who has lost at least half of what little brain matter he had.
It has been speculated that it has not been put in writing, because if it were, it would be tested in court. No writing, no court case.
If it goes to court, I doubt it would hold up. He is trying to brow beat companies into enforcing an unconstitutional mandate.
As for the rest... Whatever FedEx legal is doing is fine with me and goes beyond whatever you're listening to online. I'm fully vaccinated and my insurance didn't go up so if FedEx wants the current situation to continue with tons of guys out on uncharged sick leave then they've got the big picture in mind. I'm too busy right now to cover for the guys out though.
10-25-2021 | 05:37 PM
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I'm very sorry to hear that. I have been vaccinated, but I fly with many younger folks that are not. Some have had Covid, so they think they are covered by natural immunity. That makes sense, but while I think getting vaccinated is a good idea, I am not in favor of a forced mandate. We are not in the military, so I believe in freedom of choice.
10-25-2021 | 05:44 PM
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In this context I meant federal employees of the executive branch.
The number of actual employees in the judicial and legislative branches is pretty tiny compared to the executive.
I've said countless times that I *personally* think the contractor mandate as applied to airline employees is over-reach. If they mandated it for contractors who have regular, ongoing contact with federal employees and customers of federal agencies (ex a security guard who screens people entering a federal building) that would make sense. But the mechanics who fix our planes have no contact with federal employees. It might be reasonable to mandate it for CS agents and FA's.
Whether it's legal or not has nothing to do with what I think, and will be determined soon enough.
But the legal issues are clearly different for the other two branches. That's constitutional fact and there's no point arguing that one. I'm not sure why the legislative hasn't done their own mandate, since both houses are controlled by the same party as the executive.
The number of actual employees in the judicial and legislative branches is pretty tiny compared to the executive.
I've said countless times that I *personally* think the contractor mandate as applied to airline employees is over-reach. If they mandated it for contractors who have regular, ongoing contact with federal employees and customers of federal agencies (ex a security guard who screens people entering a federal building) that would make sense. But the mechanics who fix our planes have no contact with federal employees. It might be reasonable to mandate it for CS agents and FA's.
Whether it's legal or not has nothing to do with what I think, and will be determined soon enough.
But the legal issues are clearly different for the other two branches. That's constitutional fact and there's no point arguing that one. I'm not sure why the legislative hasn't done their own mandate, since both houses are controlled by the same party as the executive.
Sounds legit. I guess it’s just not accurate to say that there is a federal employee mandate. It’s more correct to say there is a executive branch employee and contractor mandate.
10-25-2021 | 08:11 PM
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Logic did a 180° turn. We locked down because they told us “if it saved one more life……” and then months later when the vaccine is released and someone has a severe reaction they immediately state, “It wasn’t related to the vaccine”, and place the burden of proof on the individual. Translation: It sucks to be you but thanks for taking one for the team. A life is precious until it affects the bottom line.
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