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Old 10-17-2022 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hoya saxa

Feel free to believe you’re being manipulated by some nefarious campaign conspiracy to get the DALPA guy elected. Seems a little more simple than that to me and I appreciate the effort United pilots have made to warn other groups about this guy.

Except that for the last three BODs there has not been a conspiracy but a pattern of behavior of a United clique to vote for Delta. Not once, twice but three times. It doesn't matter who the United pilot is running for ALPA President. The United clique will oppose. And with IT/social media the ability for the vocal minority to roar and appear bigger is significant.

153 Captain vacancies just posted at United. And we just had a vacancy bid. If UAL followed the Anti-Insler people we'd be no where near this level of opportunity.
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Old 10-17-2022 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by hoya saxa
If the concern is that you’re getting this info about Insler on an “anonymous” Internet forum why don’t you ask some United pilots in person? Surely most all of us know at least SOME personally? I’ve heard personal testimony from every last United pilot I know that reflects precisely the grievances against Insler that have been brought up here. You know that saying about “when there’s smoke, there’s fire.”

Feel free to believe you’re being manipulated by some nefarious campaign conspiracy to get the DALPA guy elected. Seems a little more simple than that to me and I appreciate the effort United pilots have made to warn other groups about this guy.
Insler would be a disaster for ALPA and as you said we are just trying to warn people. He sold out United pilots with management and I can only imagine what he would do at ALPA Int'l.
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Old 10-17-2022 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jerryleber
Insler would be a disaster for ALPA and as you said we are just trying to warn people. He sold out United pilots with management and I can only imagine what he would do at ALPA Int'l.
Not really Jerry. You elected him. The Pandemic LOA kept United viable and now there are vacancies and new hires. Just because your personal expectations aren't met...
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Old 10-17-2022 | 12:12 PM
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The pandemic LOA didn't keep United viable. Billions of dollars from the federal government did.
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Old 10-17-2022 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by purple101
The pandemic LOA didn't keep United viable. Billions of dollars from the federal government did.
Bingo!

Spoilers Deployed has an APC start date of Sept this year, He’s one of Insler’s Henchmen. It’s all about getting a despicable, classless failed MEC Chairman thug (of six years) elected ALPA president.

See below. Wendy is the C12 (ORD) Chairman. Insler is probably threatening others of not being hired at UAL because he had an incestuous relationship with our CEO.

“Apparently last night Todd was threatening to put RJ guys on a banned hire list if they didn’t vote for him. Wendy Morse took a point of personal privilege in plenary at todays BOD meeting to read a statement about how all a United pilot can do is write a recommendation letter, and any statements about banning pilots are unconscionable. What a sad state of affairs.”
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Old 10-17-2022 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Bingo!

Spoilers Deployed has an APC start date of Sept this year, He’s one of Insler’s Henchmen. It’s all about getting a despicable, classless failed MEC Chairman thug (of six years) elected ALPA president.

See below. Wendy is the C12 (ORD) Chairman. Insler is probably threatening others of not being hired at UAL because he had an incestuous relationship with our CEO.

“Apparently last night Todd was threatening to put RJ guys on a banned hire list if they didn’t vote for him. Wendy Morse took a point of personal privilege in plenary at todays BOD meeting to read a statement about how all a United pilot can do is write a recommendation letter, and any statements about banning pilots are unconscionable. What a sad state of affairs.”
Based on the way he's been posting, I think there's a very real chance it's TI himself.
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Old 10-17-2022 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
Based on the way he's been posting, I think there's a very real chance it's TI himself.
Could be nothing would surprise me at this point
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Old 10-18-2022 | 11:41 AM
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It's Todd or a close personal operative. Now that BOD started, he's gotten a little too busy to keep posting (and it no longer serves him).
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Old 10-18-2022 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
They ARE cleaning house. They don't control the timeline, ALPA does and it works about as well as any bureaucracy. They are warning us that their house is dirty. I'm not sure why you guys have issue with that.

The UA guys are in a bad spot because of Insler and they are trying to keep FDX from being integral in putting all of ALPA in that same spot.

I kind of sympathize but on the other hand I don’t feel they have tried to get their house in order. At least not 100%. I mean they didn’t even try to recall CLE and GUM reps. Not attempt, no whimper, not a single pilot, absolutely nothing. Please correct me if I’m wrong. And how did the roll call vote go? Lose by 20 votes? That could’ve made a difference? I honestly don’t know because I don’t know how they voted. And honestly, other than pure curiosity, it doesn’t really matter to me. Which brings me to another point.

This just isn’t at the top of my top 10 things I want ALPA to do/not do. Go read the constitution and by-laws. The president doesn’t have as much power as we think he has. The executive council, executive board, and the board of directors all have more power than the president. All three bodies give direction and all three can reign any National officer, up to including removal. He is basically a spokesman. I mean, we had a FedEx pilot become president for the first time. And with all due respect to him and his time in office and efforts to improve lives of cargo pilots and FedEx pilots in particular, what do we have to show for it? I honestly don’t feel it wasn’t for the lack of trying on his part. It’s just that that position only has the power that the three bodies direct him to have.

For pilot groups, the MEC members are the people who have the most influence in our day to day lives at work. The National officers offer very little to us directly.

So I don’t know much about Insler other than why I read here. I’ll leave it up to my rep to decide because I’m sure he has a lot more factual information than I can ever get about Insler. Maybe if it mattered more to me, I could try to get into the weeds on all this. But this isn’t it. That’s not to say I don’t appreciate the passion on the issue from both sides. At least that tells me people care about ALPA, which I think is good. This just isn’t the issue I’m going to hang my hat on.

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Old 10-18-2022 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
I kind of sympathize but on the other hand I don’t feel they have tried to get their house in order. At least not 100%. I mean they didn’t even try to recall CLE and GUM reps. Not attempt, no whimper, not a single pilot, absolutely nothing. Please correct me if I’m wrong. And how did the roll call vote go? Lose by 20 votes? That could’ve made a difference? I honestly don’t know because I don’t know how they voted. And honestly, other than pure curiosity, it doesn’t really matter to me. Which brings me to another point.

This just isn’t at the top of my top 10 things I want ALPA to do/not do. Go read the constitution and by-laws. The president doesn’t have as much power as we think he has. The executive council, executive board, and the board of directors all have more power than the president. All three bodies give direction and all three can reign any National officer, up to including removal. He is basically a spokesman. I mean, we had a FedEx pilot become president for the first time. And with all due respect to him and his time in office and efforts to improve lives of cargo pilots and FedEx pilots in particular, what do we have to show for it? I honestly don’t feel it wasn’t for the lack of trying on his part. It’s just that that position only has the power that the three bodies direct him to have.

For pilot groups, the MEC members are the people who have the most influence in our day to day lives at work. The National officers offer very little to us directly.

So I don’t know much about Insler other than why I read here. I’ll leave it up to my rep to decide because I’m sure he has a lot more factual information than I can ever get about Insler. Maybe if it mattered more to me, I could try to get into the weeds on all this. But this isn’t it. That’s not to say I don’t appreciate the passion on the issue from both sides. At least that tells me people care about ALPA, which I think is good. This just isn’t the issue I’m going to hang my hat on.
There's a fair chance that your rep will just wheel and deal to get WR an EVP position if they don't have any pressure or motivation to push them in any other direction. I've been up close to this entire Insler debacle for the entire six years and UA for 25. Take my word - he won't take ALPA in a direction that you'll like.
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