Delta’s New Pay Scale
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They’ve just gotta make sure they can rip the A plan parachute and grab there bag of bonus money on the way out the door when the rest of the new book is full of concessions and a lack luster rates. So frustrating. I’m getting so tired of hearing about fixing the pension they elected to not address during multiple bargaining cycles over the past 20+ years.
#13
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Well here is the history on that.
06. We gained QOL and pay was increased. Grid penalties were gained. International pay was increased. Those who had been here the longest gained the most. "there was no more money left to improve the pension"
11 Bridge contract one year with another one year extension if ratified by the pilots, shocker, it was extended for the 3% pay increase. Why was the bridge contract necessary, go read the MEC chairman's letter of the 28th of DEC 10.
15 MEC did not lead and the infighting was horrendous. They tried to work with the company for mutual benefits. Pillars were not clearly established with solid goals to fight for, the NC failed to improve the pension and the MEC excepted the failure. And oh yeah, we ran out of money after spending $14.1 million. We has 418K in the MEC coffers in the end.
Six years later here we were back in '21. Your pension is now worth a lot less. In 20-30 it will be worth a lot less still. Every negotiation becomes the foundation for the next. Fix pension now or good luck in the future, you can work from $130K now or then, it is your choice.
All that said, we are worth it, and we should demand industry leading everything and our pension should be brought up to the '99 standard. IRS limits were good enough then, they should be good enough now.
06. We gained QOL and pay was increased. Grid penalties were gained. International pay was increased. Those who had been here the longest gained the most. "there was no more money left to improve the pension"
11 Bridge contract one year with another one year extension if ratified by the pilots, shocker, it was extended for the 3% pay increase. Why was the bridge contract necessary, go read the MEC chairman's letter of the 28th of DEC 10.
15 MEC did not lead and the infighting was horrendous. They tried to work with the company for mutual benefits. Pillars were not clearly established with solid goals to fight for, the NC failed to improve the pension and the MEC excepted the failure. And oh yeah, we ran out of money after spending $14.1 million. We has 418K in the MEC coffers in the end.
Six years later here we were back in '21. Your pension is now worth a lot less. In 20-30 it will be worth a lot less still. Every negotiation becomes the foundation for the next. Fix pension now or good luck in the future, you can work from $130K now or then, it is your choice.
All that said, we are worth it, and we should demand industry leading everything and our pension should be brought up to the '99 standard. IRS limits were good enough then, they should be good enough now.
#14
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They’ve just gotta make sure they can rip the A plan parachute and grab there bag of bonus money on the way out the door when the rest of the new book is full of concessions and a lack luster rates. So frustrating. I’m getting so tired of hearing about fixing the pension they elected to not address during multiple bargaining cycles over the past 20+ years.
Also, I put 25% pay raise on my survey or I am a no vote. I want the pay, and I want everyone's (including your's) retirement fixed.
You need to think before you slam the guys who have been here longer. A lot of times, it was the union leadership that made decisions, and coerced the pilots into voting yes. I have lost count of how many times I have voted no. I think the last time I vote yes was 2006 and maybe 2012 (the second year of the bridge, when it would have been stupid to vote no).
Oh, and you probably didn't have to sit sideways for 4 years, now did you?
The guys hired since 2015 have reaped immense benefits, yet are eager to throw the old guys out the door and under the crew bus.
You should be more grateful.
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You look like you are new here. In 2015, we could have fixed our A plan, and cut out the new hires. Do you prefer that we had done that? We protected your retirement in 2015, at our expense, and now you want to throw us under the bus? You are a real piece of work. You are probably one of the new hires who got right seat wide body as a new hire and are entitled.
Also, I put 25% pay raise on my survey or I am a no vote. I want the pay, and I want everyone's (including your's) retirement fixed.
You need to think before you slam the guys who have been here longer. A lot of times, it was the union leadership that made decisions, and coerced the pilots into voting yes. I have lost count of how many times I have voted no. I think the last time I vote yes was 2006 and maybe 2012 (the second year of the bridge, when it would have been stupid to vote no).
Oh, and you probably didn't have to sit sideways for 4 years, now did you?
The guys hired since 2015 have reaped immense benefits, yet are eager to throw the old guys out the door and under the crew bus.
You should be more grateful.
Also, I put 25% pay raise on my survey or I am a no vote. I want the pay, and I want everyone's (including your's) retirement fixed.
You need to think before you slam the guys who have been here longer. A lot of times, it was the union leadership that made decisions, and coerced the pilots into voting yes. I have lost count of how many times I have voted no. I think the last time I vote yes was 2006 and maybe 2012 (the second year of the bridge, when it would have been stupid to vote no).
Oh, and you probably didn't have to sit sideways for 4 years, now did you?
The guys hired since 2015 have reaped immense benefits, yet are eager to throw the old guys out the door and under the crew bus.
You should be more grateful.
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So the attitude of "screw the old guys" is ok with you? How's that going to help unity?
I might add that in 2015, new hire pay rates were increased, while retirement was not. So once again, new hires benefitted, at the expense of our retirement.
You got yours, but you want to screw the old guys out of the retirement that they earned? And then you say I have an attitude problem? Your attitude is exactly the problem, not mine.
Retirement needs to be fixed. Pay rates need to be fixed. What's wrong with fighting for both?
I might add that in 2015, new hire pay rates were increased, while retirement was not. So once again, new hires benefitted, at the expense of our retirement.
You got yours, but you want to screw the old guys out of the retirement that they earned? And then you say I have an attitude problem? Your attitude is exactly the problem, not mine.
Retirement needs to be fixed. Pay rates need to be fixed. What's wrong with fighting for both?
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Position: B767
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So the attitude of "screw the old guys" is ok with you? How's that going to help unity?
I might add that in 2015, new hire pay rates were increased, while retirement was not. So once again, new hires benefitted, at the expense of our retirement.
You got yours, but you want to screw the old guys out of the retirement that they earned? And then you say I have an attitude problem? Your attitude is exactly the problem, not mine.
Retirement needs to be fixed. Pay rates need to be fixed. What's wrong with fighting for both?
I might add that in 2015, new hire pay rates were increased, while retirement was not. So once again, new hires benefitted, at the expense of our retirement.
You got yours, but you want to screw the old guys out of the retirement that they earned? And then you say I have an attitude problem? Your attitude is exactly the problem, not mine.
Retirement needs to be fixed. Pay rates need to be fixed. What's wrong with fighting for both?
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