Open 'er back up! I'll wait!​​​​​​​
#SCOPE
#ZERO, NADA, ZIP CONCESSIONS
#QOL
#FUUUUUPM, for all the billions of stock buybacks, wet-lease payment screwjob, flying into places no other carriers were going, unlimited trip revisions, seniority abrogation, years of hotel room isolation, sprayed with unknown chemicals, poked/prodded in the nose and throat by our Chinese buddies, personally paying for company scheduled travel expenses, and the list go on.....

We didn't ever open Scope, the company did. That tells you all you need to know.

​​​​​​​FUPM

The fact that the company so readily talks about their plans for third party lift makes me think there was a large give back on scope. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

What else needs to be given back for them to unlimitedly continue wet leasing and using belly freight? Maybe I’m not understanding our scope language (not an attorney) but there doesn’t seem to be much of any substantial limits on what they can do. It’s almost like we can be a shell company if they really wanted us to be.

Couple of things:

As of today at Delta these planes at 12 years of service make more than a FedEx Widebody at 15 years of service. ($335)

A350
787
A330
767
757
A321N MTOW 197,000 lbs
737-800 MTOW 155,000 lbs
A320 MTOW 170,000 lbs

Also, a different perspective on potential top of the payscale number using our smallest jet…

This is to rebut the “we aren’t going to get deltas widebody top pay because they have so few pilots that fly those” argument.

Our smallest plane is obviously the 757. If we use Deltas new max number for them ($349.50) to set the entire payscale and apply that to our current narrow to widebody ratio in our payscale ($289 for narrow and $335 for wide)

289/335 = 349.5/X

Our wide bodies would need to make $405.13.

Delta has set the market for 757 pilots. If we agree with them then we pay ours $349.50 and our widebodies $405.13 using the same ratio we currently employ in our payscale.

The top widebody number better be $405.13 or better. End of story

PLEASE 🛑 sounds like you’re settling. Anything less than Delta is an automatic NO VOTE! #NO CONCESSIONS

What if we had a choice which retirement plan we wanted to enroll in? Perhaps some guys in their 20s would much rather have a large B fund with profit sharing over the A-fund we have now? Let those that want to stay on an improved A plan have that option. Maybe give guys some options as one size does not fit all? Something like our medical insurance plans, you pick what works best for you and perhaps have a chance to change from one plan to another every 5 years or so as your situation changes. Just thinking out loud as I've heard from plenty of our young guys who would rather have control of their own money vs. a company promise of a retirement in 35 years.

Personally, I want my 1999 A plan adjusted for present day $$$ and with a COLA going forward to end this constant negotiation struggle going forward. Fix the damn plan once and for all. We've earned it and they CAN afford it!

And he’s glossing over the fact that we have to work 15 years to get to top pay. Three more years! We should be MUCH higher than $405 at 15 years.

Easy guys I’m just saying 405 is the absolute floor.

no.

405 is absolutely too low, and is well below the floor.