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Old 03-10-2023 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by hemaybedid
Other airline managements should sit at their negotiating tables and make the argument that “FedEx is different, we can’t possibly give you what they have”.
That deserves a sticky.
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Old 03-10-2023 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
That deserves a sticky.
love it. FedEx IS different. In the words/acronym of another poster. FUPM
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Old 03-10-2023 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hemaybedid
We should have moved the goal posts. Unfortunately our initial ask wasn’t likely even close to what we’re looking at now. We should be the leaders, not the followers. Other airline managements should sit at their negotiating tables and make the argument that “FedEx is different, we can’t possibly give you what they have”.
This. The goal posts have been moved. Last time I checked our contract is still amendable, so there’s absolutely no reason some things shouldn’t be revisited.
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Old 03-10-2023 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Linepilot63
This. The goal posts have been moved. Last time I checked our contract is still amendable, so there’s absolutely no reason some things shouldn’t be revisited.
Correct. Our openers were based on quick negotiations resulting in a contract. The company dragged their feet and prolonged the end game. Our openers are no longer valid. The goal post HAS MOVED.
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Old 03-11-2023 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
Correct. Our openers were based on quick negotiations resulting in a contract. The company dragged their feet and prolonged the end game. Our openers are no longer valid. The goal post HAS MOVED.
THIS!!!! I'll wait!
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Old 03-11-2023 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Merica
THIS!!!! I'll wait!
I wait too!!!! Let’s fix this nonsense once and for all.
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Old 03-11-2023 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
Correct. Our openers were based on quick negotiations resulting in a contract. The company dragged their feet and prolonged the end game. Our openers are no longer valid. The goal post HAS MOVED.
Exactly, man. Quoted once more.

Why not get the TA out so we can vote it down? Then, as painful as it is to think of this dragging on some more, we need to realign our open negotiations to the new goal post (Scope, specifically). The company has given us the option of voting down what would be subpar TA, by not negotiating in good faith. The NC could sell a lackluster TA as "this is the company's sh!tty offer" and put all responsibility for a POS TA on the company to then have us vote it down overwhelmingly. So we can go back to the table to do this properly, now - not "we will look into Scope the round of negotiations".
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Old 03-11-2023 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
Exactly, man. Quoted once more.

Why not get the TA out so we can vote it down? Then, as painful as it is to think of this dragging on some more, we need to realign our open negotiations to the new goal post (Scope, specifically). The company has given us the option of voting down what would be subpar TA, by not negotiating in good faith. The NC could sell a lackluster TA as "this is the company's sh!tty offer" and put all responsibility for a POS TA on the company to then have us vote it down overwhelmingly. So we can go back to the table to do this properly, now - not "we will look into Scope the round of negotiations".

It doesn’t matter how much of a **** sandwich it is, some of the KoolAid drinkers will see it as a delicacy and it will pass 53% in favor. Remember the last TA was such a **** sandwich residents of neighboring Mississippi were complaining of the smell. Yet 57% thought it was caviar.

Putting it out for a vote would be a mistake, that **** would pass.
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Old 03-11-2023 | 07:27 PM
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Maybe this time people will actually read the TA and get answers before you cast your vote when it comes out. Pretty shameful nobody even knows how the displacement language works in our current CBA. Just look at JF, We are our own worst enemies.
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Old 03-13-2023 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper
It doesn’t matter how much of a **** sandwich it is, some of the KoolAid drinkers will see it as a delicacy and it will pass 53% in favor. Remember the last TA was such a **** sandwich residents of neighboring Mississippi were complaining of the smell. Yet 57% thought it was caviar.

Putting it out for a vote would be a mistake, that **** would pass.
The TA passed with 57% because of the hard used-car salesman pitch from the NC. Of course, that inspired the koolaid drinkers like Kronan and the like, here and on JF. But still, without the directive from the NC at the Road Shows it would not have passed.

What I am saying is, our own NC could direct us to vote down this TA with the company's latest offer, to show just how low our company views us. This could be used as a means to return to the table as soon as possible, to open Scope and rescind QOL giveaways (if even half of the rumors are true). We have to do that this time around.

Voting a TA down is the only way (that I understand) in which we can open Scope. Yeah, yeah - we didn't poll highly on it. Doesn't matter, we pay FDX ALPA to be forward thinking in protecting our job, not to blame us for not doing their job on SECTION ONE of our CBA.

Let's not rush it this time, thinking we can negotiate Scope again in 5-8 years.

It sucks that we are here. But the Company has given us an out back to open TA'd and unopened sections, by not coming to the table with the payrates we have earned.

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