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StarClipper 04-21-2023 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by oncewasgood (Post 3627544)
Seniority is the rule even under the new system. There just isn’t any vacancies anymore. You can’t cry foul if you chose to pass up vacancies on three previous bids. There is no longer the mass vacancies. End of story.

Seniority has and will continue to be bypassed under our current contract. It’s ridiculous and is costing a lot of people $$$$$$$$$$

StarClipper 04-21-2023 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by oncewasgood (Post 3627560)
Not true. Money can’t be lost when someone choose to not bid what they could hold on a previous vacancy bid. Now we don’t have those vacancies. That’s the ups and downs of the industry. If you are claiming money is lost so could the numerous pilots who would get bumped in a bump and flush garbage system like we previously had. Are you claiming we should do an entire re-bid of every seat and base to “truly honor seniority”? Doesn’t work that way at any airline. Good job contract 15’ on fixing this problem.

So how do you explain junior guys coming from an FDA being trained ahead of guys senior to them? Isn’t that by passing seniority?
Our contract is a joke. In no way what so ever should a junior guy be allowed to train ahead of a senior guy without that senior guy getting Pass Over Pay. And yes I POP because SDL is a joke.

Yeah I’ll wait for your explanation.

StarClipper 04-21-2023 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by oncewasgood (Post 3627576)
Easy explanation. An FDA pilot has a time limit imposed by a foreign country that they temporarily resided in. Once the time is hit they must legally leave. If you want that “advantage” then bid an FDA and do the required time per the contract. Not that complex. Are you done crying yet? I bet the crocodile tears are piling up on your keyboard.

No tears here! I’m just proving to you that seniority is being bypassed all the time. I do understand the contract however POP should have never been given up. At no time should a junior pilot be able to train before a senior guy without a penalty being paid.

Merle Haggard 04-22-2023 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by oncewasgood (Post 3627544)
Seniority is the rule even under the new system. There just isn’t any vacancies anymore. You can’t cry foul if you chose to pass up vacancies on three previous bids. There is no longer the mass vacancies. End of story.

Those who are worried about clinging to things they can't really hold seniority-wise are missing the point that the company would do a whole lot less of all of this crap under a bump and flush system. It's far more expensive.

Careful what you ask for. If 10 years of MEM RA is what you're looking for, you might just get it. If and when things turn around, there will be people coming in on top of you for a very long time.

Globemaster2827 04-22-2023 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3627762)
Those who are worried about clinging to things they can't really hold seniority-wise are missing the point that the company would do a whole lot less of all of this crap under a bump and flush system. It's far more expensive.

Careful what you ask for. If 10 years of MEM RA is what you're looking for, you might just get it. If and when things turn around, there will be people coming in on top of you for a very long time.

Many of us who bid it, did so at 100% and yes we were aware people would bid on top of us and we'd be stuck on reserve. We took it based on the long standing Airline Pilot rule to "Never Pass Up an Upgrade". Why should you never pass up an upgrade? This.

I bid it as one of the last 10 on the 757 list a few bids ago and now this bid happened so I won't be on the very bottom. It looks to me like I'll probably be able to hold lines starting next month on Secondary but most months I'd like to be on reserve. I moved to MEM so that I could bid things at 100%, sit reserve, and not work. RA is fine with me. All of us in MEM need yall to take up all that night flying so we don't have to do it.

magic rat 04-22-2023 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by oncewasgood (Post 3627969)
What you are describing is on every bid every seat and domicile is rerun. This would cause chaos and not 1 airline does it in this manner. Your seniority allows you to hold whatever you can hold on the vacancy bid. If there is no vacancies, then you have nothing to use your seniority for. If there are vacancies and you choose to not exercise your seniority, you can’t then complain when the following bid has no vacancies. You chose that.

Everyone needs to stop arguing and shut the front up over what WE agreed upon in contract 2015. Lesson learned, READ THE ENTIRE TA this time maybe, just maybe this won’t happen again next time. (Back to my not so lay flat seat…)

Linepilot63 04-22-2023 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by oncewasgood (Post 3627544)
Seniority is the rule even under the new system. There just isn’t any vacancies anymore. You can’t cry foul if you chose to pass up vacancies on three previous bids. There is no longer the mass vacancies. End of story.

So what do you have to say to the 700+ pilots on property that haven’t had a different opportunity to bid other than indoc prior to this bid? We should just be happy to be here?


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