Sorry you haven't gotten a lot of constructive replies. That 4-5 year timeline is probably a bit long IMO. Next bid is "spring 2024", assuming they train this one out fully. I know the company plays hardball with training slots (see: 2020 and 2021 bidders to the 777), but the 767 transition course is usually the "quick" way off the 757 and you could be there summer 2024. I get it's an adjustment in expectations. I was hired about the same time as you.

Probably something about surveys & retirement.

We have had dual qualification 757-767. But our schedules were either 767 trips or 757 trips, not mixed like passengers (I assume). It was too hard to keep dual qual.

First, there are less than 650 pilots added that weren't able to bid on the last system bid. There are also vacancies in the 77FM as well as the 75FM seat that you can bid on if you choose.

Second, if you were hired in a WB since the last bid, you are seat locked, unless you could hold a captain seat. Are you saying that you should be able to hold a captain seat in less than 18 months?

So, you are at an airline that hiring has stopped and you are in the bottom 10% of the seniority list. What do you think should happen? What would be happening if you were in the same situation at Delta, United, American?

There is no dual qualification required for 757/767 although your fleets have a different flightdeck whereas UPS they are both the same.

I have friends at Legacy airlines that are still in initial training and have better seat seniority than I will have at the conclusion of this bid. Been here 2 yrs so far. And no, I couldn't bid on this current bid, so I'm stuck in the seat I was assigned in BI. I'll be going backwards in seniority for the foreseeable future.

There may not be an exodus from the top, but I think the one from the bottom is starting to happen. With the big changes coming to our system form, our porous scope, shrinking airline, and enhanced efficiencies which reduce QOL and commutability the reasons to be here are rapidly diminishing.

I wasn't asking for an 18 mo upgrade, but I'd certainly like the option to upgrade sooner than the 10+ yrs it currently looks to be.

10 year upgrade? There's two year guys that are still junior 75Cs. Also still 5-6 year wide body CAs on the Airbus.

Did you bid 75C on the practice?

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OK, dual qual was the wrong term. We used to have both planes in the same bid pack, especially Indy. Couldn't keep everyone current. We had to have 3 legs in each every 90 days if I remember correctly. I found it strange that it wasn't a landing currency, just a leg currency

Read the post I replied to. If you have been here two years, you had an opportunity to bid on 21-01. Unless you are under a seat lock, you can bid in this bid as well, just maybe not the seat you want. Just three years ago, the Legacy airlines were talking furloughs. Times change. They will again.

Going backward in seniority is not fun ever. It wasn’t fun when I got hired and pushed into a lower paying seat. Upgrading at over 10 years seemed like a good deal at the time. Losing 15% in my seat now at almost 17 years on property is still not fun. Timing sometimes doesn’t work in our favor. Sounds like you were hired when all of our expectations maybe got a little out of sync with historical norms. Some of your buds just a few months and a few 100 numbers senior to you will have a very different experience than you will. It’s life. Sorry..I feel that frustration. I’ve been on the backside of a hiring wave here too but in the big picture it’s not been bad. Could always be worse. In this industry if you always chase the new shiny object you’ll never be senior and that will impact your QOL and career earnings. Spend less time here on socially backward media and it will hurt less. Just my 2 cents. From one catfish to another 😜