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Old 04-13-2023 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1
I think they’re about to see some serious attrition like they’ve never seen before.
Damn, this is worse than I thought. I'm too old and been here too long now, but if you are in the bottom 1000-1500 or under the age of 40, maybe even 45, you seriously need to look at other options. Only caveat is this being the biggest grenade of a distraction in negotiations that I remember here. Keep the eyes on the prize. Tough.
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Old 04-13-2023 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rum Runner
Damn, this is worse than I thought. I'm too old and been here too long now, but if you are in the bottom 1000-1500 or under the age of 40, maybe even 45, you seriously need to look at other options. Only caveat is this being the biggest grenade of a distraction in negotiations that I remember here. Keep the eyes on the prize. Tough.
It’s hard to take any system bid here serious. Nothing gets trained out and usually gets cancelled and manipulated. Isn’t that the definition of a Ponzi scheme?
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Old 04-13-2023 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1
It’s hard to take any system bid here serious. Nothing gets trained out and usually gets cancelled and manipulated. Isn’t that the definition of a Ponzi scheme?
no social security and our post-65 prp or whatever it is are the definition of a ponzi scheme.
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Old 04-13-2023 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaman
Fedex management once again making big plans that will in retrospect only further show their incompetence. They are over playing this by a mile and will be substantially behind the power curve when this turns around. They will be unable to meet the demand and will continue to cede customers to the carriers they're trying to emulate in unceasing attempts to pump up a metric that presents no value to the company's bottom line.

Hold fast gents its all gonna be ok and this summer is gonna crush some doomsday economists egos.
Not to sure about your outlook. Have you been to NRT or KIX lately? We have 9 WB's on the ramp compared to 2 for our main competition. Both gateways. So do we really need flights to CDG, MEM, ANC, OAK, SIN, CAN, ICN, etc? I foresee many flights consoladated.
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Old 04-13-2023 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaman
Fedex management once again making big plans that will in retrospect only further show their incompetence. They are over playing this by a mile and will be substantially behind the power curve when this turns around. They will be unable to meet the demand and will continue to cede customers to the carriers they're trying to emulate in unceasing attempts to pump up a metric that presents no value to the company's bottom line.
Hold fast gents its all gonna be ok and this summer is gonna crush some doomsday economists egos.
I’m with you on that, I won’t be surprised if we start hiring before peak.
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Old 04-13-2023 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 123456
Actually, it says " This bid ASSUMES that we will not hire any pilots through FY24". Going to depend on how many guys bail when the contract is settled or when the 30 year MD CPTs in Ca. decide they aren't coming back to MEM.. !
I don't know many people who retire willingly in an economic downturn because of a contract. I am just spitballing here but the number most likely will be a lot lower than what bounces off the walls of AOC.
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Old 04-13-2023 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Spearfish
Not to sure about your outlook. Have you been to NRT or KIX lately? We have 9 WB's on the ramp compared to 2 for our main competition. Both gateways. So do we really need flights to CDG, MEM, ANC, OAK, SIN, CAN, ICN, etc? I foresee many flights consoladated.
FedEx announced a further 30% reduction in Pacific flying at the DRIVE event. Consolidation has already stated.
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Old 04-13-2023 | 06:55 PM
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A 30% reduction from Covid highs. 30% less than 130% is 100% correct?
No. They’re reducing Pacific by 30% of todays flying which isn’t COVID flying.
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Old 04-13-2023 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood
A 30% reduction from Covid highs. 30% less than 130% is 100% correct?
If it is from Covid why are there less 77F MEM slots on this bid than on 20-02 no work?
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Old 04-13-2023 | 07:05 PM
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The system bid isn’t even my concern. A couple years of heartburn is something I could deal with. ASL getting 767 for their Australian ops? Can you say Qantas DH to CAN? Richard Smith quoted tonight saying the EUR 757’s are coming back stateside after the email specifically said we’d be covering the EUR flying from MEM? Who are you gonna believe? SCOPE!!!! None of this **** is going to matter if we let them outsource our international flying. And our domestic? If don’t get the postal contract renewed this place is going to look a whole lot different as well. Day flying? What’s that?

It’s looking like it’s too late for scope. I’d be less concerned if we all understood how dire of a situation our lack of scope has put us in. Would be one thing if our union leadership had something else to say other than “our survey data doesn’t state that.” Time to get my apps back out. Never thought the second year pay I was counting the days for would be going into interview prep, again. Hopefully I haven’t shot myself in the foot after leaving a legacy and turning down others.
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