ASL, Scope, and You
04-18-2023 | 04:42 PM
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04-18-2023 | 04:51 PM
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If that is the case, does the company follow the contract (pay rates, catering, etc) on the previously mentioned international flights, due to their benevolence? Or is it just EVERY other section besides Section 1 in enforceable internationally? Heard this a few times before and haven’t heard a good answer yet
04-18-2023 | 04:55 PM
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Don’t know my man. What about UPS’s Scope?
I have never been educated by our union on Scope. Was told many times, “it doesn’t really matter what our Scope says, the Company can do whatever it wants. No need to use negotiating capital on it”. Strangely, heard the same at the ALPA airline I flew for two lives ago.
04-18-2023 | 05:15 PM
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Not trying to be the naysayer.
Scope protects anything that touches the USA including USA to international destinations and the return flights. How do you protect flying within international countries or between international countries when the RLA and US law does not?
Scope protects anything that touches the USA including USA to international destinations and the return flights. How do you protect flying within international countries or between international countries when the RLA and US law does not?
Let’s stop rationalizing our weak scope or make excuses of why we can’t negotiate something, please.
04-18-2023 | 05:38 PM
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Who says the RLA doesn’t apply to us anywhere we fly? If the company violates the contract while in China, can we grieve it? Of course we can. We can negotiate any contractual rights into the CBA as long as they don’t violate laws we fall into the jurisdiction thereof.
Let’s stop rationalizing our weak scope or make excuses of why we can’t negotiate something, please.
Let’s stop rationalizing our weak scope or make excuses of why we can’t negotiate something, please.
04-18-2023 | 05:38 PM
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The union said. I am not rationalizing anything, I am asking.
Does UPS's scope language require only UPS pilots when flying international to international? I don't think so. They use a lot of contractors in Europe. Or am I wrong?
Does UPS's scope language require only UPS pilots when flying international to international? I don't think so. They use a lot of contractors in Europe. Or am I wrong?
04-18-2023 | 05:44 PM
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The Europe flying by contractors is an exclusion to their scope.
04-18-2023 | 05:49 PM
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Have a look at their international subcontracting language. It’s strong and they’ve had success defending it. ALPA is lying to you when they say it’s not possible to defend extraterritorial flying.
04-18-2023 | 06:14 PM
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You were lied to. Ask them about the IST-CGN-TLV grievance. What direction do you think we are moving in?
