An easy method to decide
07-17-2023 | 06:14 AM
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It isn't spelling, it's grammar.
07-17-2023 | 08:36 AM
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UFB.
It's about unity. Your union screwed you, huh?
There are only two sides available. You can't switch back and forth when it suits you without consequences.
It's about solving a CRS problem short notice and making the operation feel nothing but your support.
It's about someone else listening to your BS on the flight deck and deciding to do the same thing.
It's about someone who can't clear their schedule as easily deciding to take the call from CRS when they see what you're doing.
It's about the simple fact that we were all supposed to be on the same side, pulling in the same direction willing to make the same sacrifices.
But we weren't. We had some (like you) who thought they were smarter. "Flying smarter" my @ss. Yeah you really stuck it to the company by "making" them pay you 150%. If you think they gave 2 sh!ts about that you're delusion. Price of doing business.
If that helps you sleep at night, great. You're not alone. Now all of you have the gall to complain about this TA? You deserve it. I can complain about the TA. You shouldn't. Thanks by the way.
And of course they wanted to change that in the TA, why not if they could get us to say "yes"? It's a fix to a pandemic corner case that, absent another pandemic, will likely never happen again.
It's about unity. Your union screwed you, huh?
There are only two sides available. You can't switch back and forth when it suits you without consequences.It's about solving a CRS problem short notice and making the operation feel nothing but your support.
It's about someone else listening to your BS on the flight deck and deciding to do the same thing.
It's about someone who can't clear their schedule as easily deciding to take the call from CRS when they see what you're doing.
It's about the simple fact that we were all supposed to be on the same side, pulling in the same direction willing to make the same sacrifices.
But we weren't. We had some (like you) who thought they were smarter. "Flying smarter" my @ss. Yeah
you really stuck it to the company by "making" them pay you 150%. If you think they gave 2 sh!ts about that you're delusion. Price of doing business.If that helps you sleep at night, great. You're not alone. Now all of you have the gall to complain about this TA? You deserve it. I can complain about the TA. You shouldn't. Thanks by the way.
And of course they wanted to change that in the TA, why not if they could get us to say "yes"? It's a fix to a pandemic corner case that, absent another pandemic, will likely never happen again.
This^^^^^
Yeah, vote down the TA and fight for what we are worth. Hollow words. Kind of like saying you'll give 110%. What that really means is that you weren't giving it your best to begin with, so now you will try a little harder. We didn't show any fight between openers and the amendable date. We didn't show any fight after the amendable date, But now, we really mean it and we are going to fight. Just words, no plan. Maybe they will sacrifice and give a little more of themselves instead of thinking only of themselves this time, but most likely not.
07-17-2023 | 08:54 AM
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This^^^^^
Yeah, vote down the TA and fight for what we are worth. Hollow words. Kind of like saying you'll give 110%. What that really means is that you weren't giving it your best to begin with, so now you will try a little harder. We didn't show any fight between openers and the amendable date. We didn't show any fight after the amendable date, But now, we really mean it and we are going to fight. Just words, no plan. Maybe they will sacrifice and give a little more of themselves instead of thinking only of themselves this time, but most likely not.
Yeah, vote down the TA and fight for what we are worth. Hollow words. Kind of like saying you'll give 110%. What that really means is that you weren't giving it your best to begin with, so now you will try a little harder. We didn't show any fight between openers and the amendable date. We didn't show any fight after the amendable date, But now, we really mean it and we are going to fight. Just words, no plan. Maybe they will sacrifice and give a little more of themselves instead of thinking only of themselves this time, but most likely not.
07-17-2023 | 09:18 AM
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This^^^^^
Yeah, vote down the TA and fight for what we are worth. Hollow words. Kind of like saying you'll give 110%. What that really means is that you weren't giving it your best to begin with, so now you will try a little harder. We didn't show any fight between openers and the amendable date. We didn't show any fight after the amendable date, But now, we really mean it and we are going to fight. Just words, no plan. Maybe they will sacrifice and give a little more of themselves instead of thinking only of themselves this time, but most likely not.
Yeah, vote down the TA and fight for what we are worth. Hollow words. Kind of like saying you'll give 110%. What that really means is that you weren't giving it your best to begin with, so now you will try a little harder. We didn't show any fight between openers and the amendable date. We didn't show any fight after the amendable date, But now, we really mean it and we are going to fight. Just words, no plan. Maybe they will sacrifice and give a little more of themselves instead of thinking only of themselves this time, but most likely not.
07-17-2023 | 09:37 AM
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You mean, the MEC didn't show any fight. Perhaps that is why they were negotiating in secret and keeping us in the dark. It is an easy fix. New MEC with clear direction to keep us apprised every step of the way. If you think you can't get a better deal, you are right. If you think you can, you are right. You get to decide if you are a loser or a winner. The idea we have to accept any POS we are given is retarded.
What negotiations were done in secret or the dark?
07-17-2023 | 11:23 AM
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From: BE-20, LR35
No survey asking if R16 would be better than R24.
No survey asking if we would be willing to give up trip bumps for student lines in return for a 25% premium opportunity that further degrades VTO.
No survey asking if we want to sacrifice AVA language by having to work our full BLG first.
They did a great job on the deviation bank though. I have no complaints there.
More frequent and much better surveys is the answer. If I see that I’m in the minority on the survey it will make decisions I disagree with more palatable as I’d know most of the crew force supports it.
Bring on TA2, this one doesn’t do it for me.
07-17-2023 | 12:34 PM
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From: Gear Monkey
Why could they comment on retirement, but not the other issues asked?
When one tried to offer feedback regarding the issues surrounding the leaks/rumors, they were disinterested.
If the communication system has no credible listening/feedback mechanism during negotiation, then don’t cry foul when the feedback comes all at once.
This is especially problematic/risky when the mindset is we must give things up to get gains.
The givebacks/concessions were certainly done in secrecy.
There will be a huge increase in clarity for the NC who negotiates TA 2.0
They can openly survey and rank order the most problematic portions of TA1.0 - because it’s now open for ALL to see.
Some problems may be fixed - some may not, but I’m confident the overall product will be better, and yes - worth the wait.
In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone),
DLax
07-17-2023 | 09:14 PM
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You have to be shi**ing me. Yes, the NC should get our input along the way, and, ALL of them were done in secret. Had they not been, we wouldn't be here now. You are being disingenuous if you claim not to remember how TA sections used to be put out to the crew force with maximum transparency. Stop being a shill for the NC, it is unbecoming. You beclown yourself.
07-18-2023 | 08:46 AM
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You have to be shi**ing me. Yes, the NC should get our input along the way, and, ALL of them were done in secret. Had they not been, we wouldn't be here now. You are being disingenuous if you claim not to remember how TA sections used to be put out to the crew force with maximum transparency. Stop being a shill for the NC, it is unbecoming. You beclown yourself.
07-18-2023 | 12:03 PM
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From: Tool-Box, old man
UFB.
It's about unity. Your union screwed you, huh? There are only two sides available. You can't switch back and forth when it suits you without consequences.
It's about solving a CRS problem short notice and making the operation feel nothing but your support.
It's about someone else listening to your BS on the flight deck and deciding to do the same thing.
It's about someone who can't clear their schedule as easily deciding to take the call from CRS when they see what you're doing.
It's about the simple fact that we were all supposed to be on the same side, pulling in the same direction willing to make the same sacrifices.
But we weren't. We had some (like you) who thought they were smarter. "Flying smarter" my @ss. Yeah you really stuck it to the company by "making" them pay you 150%. If you think they gave 2 sh!ts about that you're delusion. Price of doing business.
If that helps you sleep at night, great. You're not alone. Now all of you have the gall to complain about this TA? You deserve it. I can complain about the TA. You shouldn't. Thanks by the way.
And of course they wanted to change that in the TA, why not if they could get us to say "yes"? It's a fix to a pandemic corner case that, absent another pandemic, will likely never happen again.
It's about unity. Your union screwed you, huh?
There are only two sides available. You can't switch back and forth when it suits you without consequences.It's about solving a CRS problem short notice and making the operation feel nothing but your support.
It's about someone else listening to your BS on the flight deck and deciding to do the same thing.
It's about someone who can't clear their schedule as easily deciding to take the call from CRS when they see what you're doing.
It's about the simple fact that we were all supposed to be on the same side, pulling in the same direction willing to make the same sacrifices.
But we weren't. We had some (like you) who thought they were smarter. "Flying smarter" my @ss. Yeah
you really stuck it to the company by "making" them pay you 150%. If you think they gave 2 sh!ts about that you're delusion. Price of doing business.If that helps you sleep at night, great. You're not alone. Now all of you have the gall to complain about this TA? You deserve it. I can complain about the TA. You shouldn't. Thanks by the way.
And of course they wanted to change that in the TA, why not if they could get us to say "yes"? It's a fix to a pandemic corner case that, absent another pandemic, will likely never happen again.
Spot on, Emmerson!
Last edited by frozenboxhauler; 07-18-2023 at 12:04 PM. Reason: too many "r"s not enough "m"s.
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