https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/22/amer...ited-deal.html

 

VOTE NO ! If our TA passes we will be the laughing stock of the industry.

 

Do you care what others think? Look at the per pilot…expenditure

Dont be swayed by Facebook envy….

 

LJ made my point for me. Thanks, LJ. The majority of the old timers here don’t care about anyone but themselves and their peers. They absolutely do not care about the new hires on board already, nor the future new hires if we ever hire again. Yes, LJ, we should absolutely care about what other airlines are willing to give their pilots during this time of unprecedented demand for our skill set. Just because the sun is setting on your career doesn’t mean it has to for the rest of the pilot group.

 

I get that. But that per pilot number is not correct when considering all of the givebacks. The formula should be, Company per pilot expenditure - Company per pilot cost savings = Actual Per pilot gain. It’s seems pretty simple except for the fact that we have no number to input for the company per pilot cost savings. We all know it’s not zero. Not even factoring in the back pay. Can someone please share the the company per pilot cost savings. Just the fact that the company wants 100 percent vacation buy back will be devastating. Already 700 to 800 pilots over without that. Who thinks 25 percent of the crew force won’t sell back 75 percent of their vaca back. Say goodbye to draft. Say goodbye to hiring in the 5 years or more. Say goodbye to any movement. Guess how many pilots we will be over after this is instituted ?

 

Read their forum, some are not happy. Its the same BS on the AA forum as here.

 

Another billion in added value may have changed a few minds.

 

The timing of all the improved TAs around us, after having Rejected TA1, will have played a major factor in our TA being voted down.

Thanks to the timing with UA, AA, DL and SW contracts, for the first time in a long while, we are pulling our collective head out of our purple a$$ and looking around the industry.

48 hours to know if we have the courage to match our brethren pilot groups who mostly fly daytime, for much less profitable carriers, who said NO to TA1, and have clearly demonstrated, today, that turning down TA1 is often a necessary step in the RLA process to achieve our stated openers.

Congrats to the AA pilot group! For standing strong.

 

for the record, I do care about our pilot group, I don’t give a rats ass what a Delta guy thinks about the contract…my comment was in response to the statement that you were AFRAID you’d be a laughing stock among other pilots…sounds insecure. It is ridiculous to say the per pilot expenditure is reduced by their cost savings, because that does not come out of your pockets….what do you care if the company finds an efficiency…if they went to a fleet of electric vehicles, would you be entitled to some of the savings?

Again the name calling and vitriol…you guys are trying to turn it into a class war. Because you won’t engage in reasonable debate, without ugly accusations is the precise reason a lot of folks won’t cast their lot with you.

 

There simply is no reasoning with you. You were a yes vote before the MEC sent this disgusting TA for a vote. You defend weakness, and are completely oblivious to the company’s intentions, precisely what the company thinks of us, how they treat the workforce, how they will interpret the language, all while presenting yourself as a voice of reason. You sound weak and pathetic, and no, it’s not name calling, it’s how you sound, kind of indoctrinated. sad. that we are in the same union.