TA 1.5
08-12-2023, 06:33 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Tuck
So everything was bad? Not one good thing in it? You’d rather start over and open everything because now, the guys that weren’t here when we started and built openers want their cake and want to eat it too? Tell u what - u aren’t going to get more than the published $3.8B in value - not from this crew force which has grown weaker in the last few years (never seen so much overflying during negotiations for example) . So want to move money around? Or you want to start over and see who can wait longer - The $100B Company with a real desire to not increase unions on property or the 5800 of us - including 1500 hires in last three years with weaker than historical credentials and whiny attitudes (we constantly lowered our minimums and rarely ever said no to anyone in last 3 years) ? Think I’ll go with option A.
08-12-2023, 07:03 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
If anyone is wondering why the rhetoric from the pro-TA crowd has been stepped up today, it's because the recalls of our out-of-touch representatives began formally yesterday. The motion to recall TC (the only MEC member to vote against the TA) overwhelmingly failed, and the motion to recall the block 5 and 7 reps overwhelmingly passed. They're seeing their stranglehold on this pilot group slip away, and are desperately hoping to stop the other reps from being recalled.
Pretty sad that none of them resigned, honestly. If they did, it would allow us to move toward the next deal faster. Instead, we have to spend months cleaning house first. By the unions own math, this is costing the pilot group $70M/month.
Pretty sad that none of them resigned, honestly. If they did, it would allow us to move toward the next deal faster. Instead, we have to spend months cleaning house first. By the unions own math, this is costing the pilot group $70M/month.
Even if every single rep (other than TC, the hero of APC/JF) stepped down today and were instantly magically replaced with all the better people who are going to right all the wrongs, that's not going to bring the NMB and the company back to the table any quicker.
08-12-2023, 07:15 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Pro TA rhetoric at this point is pointless. But, the nefarious motives and attitudes some of you anonymously accuse our reps of is sickening. "Stranglehold"?
Even if every single rep (other than TC, the hero of APC/JF) stepped down today and were instantly magically replaced with all the better people who are going to right all the wrongs, that's not going to bring the NMB and the company back to the table any quicker.
Even if every single rep (other than TC, the hero of APC/JF) stepped down today and were instantly magically replaced with all the better people who are going to right all the wrongs, that's not going to bring the NMB and the company back to the table any quicker.
08-12-2023, 07:25 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
How else would you describe their behavior? They voted 13-1 in favor of a deal that failed ratification. Some of their blocks voted 70%+ opposed, and yet they still refuse to step down. There is obviously a huge disconnect between the reps and the membership. Like I said, their own actions are now costing the group even more money as we need to forcibly remove them before proceeding. There is plenty that needs to happen before trying to meet with the NMB again.
08-12-2023, 08:22 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by Herkguy80
Yes most of it was bad. Name something that was good???
08-12-2023, 08:26 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Pro TA rhetoric at this point is pointless. But, the nefarious motives and attitudes some of you anonymously accuse our reps of is sickening. "Stranglehold"?
Even if every single rep (other than TC, the hero of APC/JF) stepped down today and were instantly magically replaced with all the better people who are going to right all the wrongs, that's not going to bring the NMB and the company back to the table any quicker.
Even if every single rep (other than TC, the hero of APC/JF) stepped down today and were instantly magically replaced with all the better people who are going to right all the wrongs, that's not going to bring the NMB and the company back to the table any quicker.
08-12-2023, 08:35 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by Tuck
So TC is the hero? The guy that hasn’t paid dies in about 2 years and likely won’t ever pay again? I believe he couldn’t even vote on the TA? Hasn’t been paid by Fedex in how many years? There are others in same category. And he voted against his block? That’s how tied in he was to his constituents ? (Your constituents here have NEVER been your council - it’s always your block). But he you agree with him so damn the ethics - make him King!
He voted no so that his block would have a chance at getting a ratifiable TA. Should he have voted yes instead so that we'd be replacing 14 reps instead of 13? Doesn't make sense to me. Most of his yes-voting block doesn't even want him recalled. The amount of people that were at the meeting trying to recall Tony was so small, it was almost nonexistent.
08-12-2023, 09:01 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Tuck
travel bank, reserve priority pick up, non contract hotel receipts, expense report notifications, grievance process - to name a few.
08-12-2023, 10:02 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by Herkguy80
Yes most of it was bad. Name something that was good???
Originally Posted by Tuck
travel bank, reserve priority pick up, non contract hotel receipts, expense report notifications, grievance process - to name a few.
Restricted LCA/Student Lines
R24 to R16
Requirement to fly Min BLG after Vacation Buy Back
...to name a few.
The MEC, Block Reps, and NC Team Members failed to TRULY LISTEN when feedback was provided on each of these. Hopefully, TA 1.5/2.0 doesn't concede pilot flexibility or seniority.
In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone),
DLax
08-12-2023, 10:42 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by Tuck
travel bank, reserve priority pick up, non contract hotel receipts, expense report notifications, grievance process - to name a few.
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