DLax85

What would it look like, and how would it affect future hiring, if they brought on a few Purple Pathway Pilots this fall and then furloughed them in the spring ?

VR,
DLax

JackStraw

Very valid point. Also, bringing them on and paying them 54 hours a month to make $50,000 a year (4a2b)… that’s not a good look either.

Merle Haggard

I have a cumulative 14 years of furlough. Thanks for your analysis of my viewpoint of the concept of furlough.

What I am saying WRT management dealing with the consequences of over-hiring isn't necessarily that pilots shouldn't get furloughed. Where are the rolling heads of the economic forecasters, the HR and manpower people, and the flight ops managers who got everything wrong? Mistakes weren't made on the flight deck, they were made in offices and meeting rooms. I'd like to see some other heads lopped off if we're gonna go down this road.

Back to ethics. Accountability matters.

Do you have it in you to let someone else have the last word? Your call, I'm done with it.

ogarmyopar

this place is such a donkey dic **** show I would take the cjo and email it to delta United or aa recruiting and ask for an interview and just use the fedex offer as leverage to get in the door somewhere else. You have to be crazy to come to this place at the bottom of the list knowing what’s going on here and the everyday threats to the job. No contract, outsourcing, single pilot, shareholder only interests. This place is trashhhhhh

JustInFacts

Yet you choose to stick around. I thought you were ok with it taking 3 more years for a new contract. Maybe no one else will hire you!

ogarmyopar

You are one strange cat NoWork, JustIn, WhateverOtherStupidAf screen name you choose next. I pray I never have to fly with you before I bounce out of this clown show

globalflair

Just another tough guy hiding behind a screen name that would never publish his name online. Get 2 bouncing ogar!

Anthrax

dude. ****, tough guy. hiding behind a screen name.

Yuko

All this talk of 3 years is a good thing!

We left 300 out in the cold in TA1.0 (read no retirement improvement for those retirees on property at amenable date to May 29). This number grows to 366 by end of year then 530 mandatory retirements 2024-2026.

So is ~900 out in the cold an acceptable number?

We negotiate for new hires, we kept the A plan going for them (thanks for turning down the old pancake plan!) but yet we would like to believe that 300 is acceptable!

It is not and I hope as the number grows you find it unacceptable feature of ANY future TA.

We did not delay an improvement in the pension for 20+ years. Our company did. Thus, I am not in the business of penalizing retirees on property for the practice of focused negotiations for 2 years. Let’s not be in that business together!

Here is an idea for the pension. No sunset yet, keep the raises as stated and at amenable date defined percentage raise (until it is negotiated away).

If the company and Union are intent on getting out of the pension game that conversation cannot take place in the dark. What does in the dark look like?…surprising me with a sunset of the A plan and giving me a substitute that needs 20-25 years to perform at current A plan levels.

After TA2.0 is ratified the company and Union will have plenty of time 4+ years to have an in the light discussion with the pilot force about the pension.

I don’t think any of this is easy but we need leadership that is honest, forthcoming about the future of the pension. I have seen too much darkness around the topic. I am hopeful TA1.0. reset can start that conversation so the crew force can be educated on and have a say on post pension plans.

Until then save some room on your surveys for not a single pilot left behind since amenable date for retirement improvement. Let’s GO!

OpusOne

You act like this growing number of eligible retirees is somehow adding to our leverage and keeping the company neogtiators up at night....

I, for one, will not be continuing to vote no and arbitratily depressing my own wages to take care of a group that had an entire career to ensure their own financial security heading into retirement. I'll use that room on my survey for other concerns.