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08-19-2023, 09:36 AM
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2023
Posts: 139
Originally Posted by JustInFacts
That's the best you can come up with? LMAO!!!
Can't wait to see the huge improvements you get us in TA 2.0. You guys don't understand retirement funding, the company model, the NMB, or our current contract. The company is laughing at you!
Can't wait to see the huge improvements you get us in TA 2.0. You guys don't understand retirement funding, the company model, the NMB, or our current contract. The company is laughing at you!
I can certainly understand why someone retiring soon wanted this TA. What I can’t understand is how that type of person cannot empathize with those who voted against it.
08-19-2023, 10:31 AM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2023
Posts: 307
Originally Posted by TomAce
Do you think you’re helping? The TA was a disappointment for anyone who wanted more than a pension boost. If you can’t understand why it was voted down then YOU are part of the problem.
I can certainly understand why someone retiring soon wanted this TA. What I can’t understand is how that type of person cannot empathize with those who voted against it.
I can certainly understand why someone retiring soon wanted this TA. What I can’t understand is how that type of person cannot empathize with those who voted against it.
08-19-2023, 10:44 AM
#44
Aspiring PSA Captain
Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 831
Originally Posted by FeverDream
Guess what, labor is more expensive than it was in 2015. You don't get to force trade-offs in productivity to compensate for that. NC appears to accept that we must always give something up to get something. That's how we arrived here.
Delta +1. Zero concessions. Open only scope, pay, and retirement if that's the only way to get there in a reasonable period of time. The pilots can continue to live with the many work rules they hate and the company can do the same.
(Dealing with scope is an assumption. Without a job what does any of it matter?)
08-19-2023, 10:45 AM
#45
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Posts: 186
Originally Posted by JustInFacts
Oh, I understand why it was voted down. Maybe some day some of you will be honest with yourselves and see where the problem lies.
08-19-2023, 02:31 PM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2023
Posts: 307
Originally Posted by TomAce
He’s an angry old troll who’s mad that people didn’t want to give him his pension boost in trade for their QOL and pay.
08-19-2023, 02:32 PM
#48
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Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 160
Originally Posted by JustInFacts
This won't be my last contract here. Seems like you are angry that you won't be a 2 year WB captain. Guess you should have stayed off of the crack when it was available.
08-19-2023, 03:24 PM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2023
Posts: 139
Originally Posted by JustInFacts
This won't be my last contract here. Seems like you are angry that you won't be a 2 year WB captain. Guess you should have stayed off of the crack when it was available.
The TA was voted down man. Accept that 57% (more if you include probation) of the pilots you fly with didn’t think it met expectations. No amount of whining or shaming will change that. Perhaps if you want a deal soon your focus should be on how to make the next TA more palatable for your fellow pilots rather than being combative.
Last edited by TomAce; 08-19-2023 at 03:37 PM.
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