Negotiating Committee - In or out?
#12
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I will look at any TA presented but the MEC and NC have made their jobs x times harder with old NC in place. They will need to hit several home runs in multiple areas under even more intense scrutiny (read old NC puts the membership on alert for TA1.0-like repeat errors).
Last edited by Yuko; 11-13-2023 at 08:36 PM.
#13
You could argue that his judgement is circumspect, or that he is too easily swayed, or that the snake oil salesmen have wicked mind control powers....but unless you are asserting that he lied to get elected, saying he lacks integrity and is untrustworthy is illogical.
I guess now he could also be recalled, and Block 7 could elect another person. What would happen if yet another Block rep gets elected and reports back similiar results? How many Reps must get elected and then recalled before his Block gets the "answer" they want? If the answer is "all of them"....then you are anouncing the triumph of ideaology over intellect.
At some point, you have to trust somebody, or you trust nobody. Perhaps the best thing we can do right now is trust the people we've elected to make their best assessment and show a little unity. Being tribal at this point is probably not the best way to work ourselves out of this problem. For the record, I did not vote for him.... But if I had the chance to do it again, I probably would. I have no interest in a Block Rep who has pre-determined a decision.
#14
2 for take the delay for the right contract!
I will look at any TA presented but the MEC and NC have made their jobs x times harder with old NC in place. They will need to hit several home runs in multiple areas under even more intense scrutiny (read old NC puts the membership on alert for TA1.0-like repeat errors).
I will look at any TA presented but the MEC and NC have made their jobs x times harder with old NC in place. They will need to hit several home runs in multiple areas under even more intense scrutiny (read old NC puts the membership on alert for TA1.0-like repeat errors).
In 2022 it named our corporation #16 of the worlds most admired companies. It was the 22nd year on the list.
In 2000, it was ranked 104 on the Fortune 500. and was ranked 50 by 2018.
In 2020 for example, it had 69 Billion in revenue, 1.3 Billion in net earnings, and 73 Billion in assets...
By continually repeating this assertion, you are diluting your message.
#15
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Yuko, to be clear, you seem to have genuine motivation, but I personally review your exhortations with "Intense Scrutiny' simply because you keep repeating what I believe are inaccurate (or probably just naive) assertions. For example, you constantly refer to the need to transition our company from a "Family Run" operation. I've been here 23 years, and I can assure you that since before I got to this company and for years previously I owned it's stock, it has never been a "Mom and Pop" operation, but a highly profitable international corporation. While that may be your impression, it seems at odds with its history.
In 2022 it named our corporation #16 of the worlds most admired companies. It was the 22nd year on the list.
In 2000, it was ranked 104 on the Fortune 500. and was ranked 50 by 2018.
In 2020 for example, it had 69 Billion in revenue, 1.3 Billion in net earnings, and 73 Billion in assets...
By continually repeating this assertion, you are diluting your message.
In 2022 it named our corporation #16 of the worlds most admired companies. It was the 22nd year on the list.
In 2000, it was ranked 104 on the Fortune 500. and was ranked 50 by 2018.
In 2020 for example, it had 69 Billion in revenue, 1.3 Billion in net earnings, and 73 Billion in assets...
By continually repeating this assertion, you are diluting your message.
You should review it with intense scrutiny, that is your prerogative. .
I can see how you would think that. “Family run” business alludes to the heavy hand and rightfully so FS and family have over this company. It also alludes to folks like you (read senior you) telling me that “FS always take care of his pilots”, “we go for small gains over time, don’t worry about the other guys (read UPS, legacies), “we have a great relationship with management that you don’t see elsewhere”. Then TA1.0.
Are these themes that represent my experience here family enough for you?
Lastly, it does not pay me you being riled up, so let me know what adjective you would like me to use instead of “family run” to show the disparity
Until then I will use “your archetype corporate organization”. Will this work for you?
#16
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I can see how you would think that. “Family run” business alludes to the heavy hand and rightfully so FS and family have over this company. It also alludes to folks like you (read senior you) telling me that “FS always take care of his pilots”, “we go for small gains over time, don’t worry about the other guys (read UPS, legacies), “we have a great relationship with management that you don’t see elsewhere”. Then TA1.0.
The only pilots I have ever heard saying what you claim are the "dirty 30" and non-union pilots. There aren't any of the "dirty 30" left and very few of the non members left. Nice try though.
#17
If snake oil = the best retirement in the industry, then count me in!!
#19
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Yeah, totally agree! Why the hell did that snake oil 169K improved pension and a totally sustainable new pension that adjusts for inflation ever get sold to us! Go sell that stink bomb somewhere else...give me my 130K pension now!!!
If snake oil = the best retirement in the industry, then count me in!!
If snake oil = the best retirement in the industry, then count me in!!
One of the primary reasons the TA failed.
#20
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
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Yeah, totally agree! Why the hell did that snake oil 169K improved pension and a totally sustainable new pension that adjusts for inflation ever get sold to us! Go sell that stink bomb somewhere else...give me my 130K pension now!!!
If snake oil = the best retirement in the industry, then count me in!!
If snake oil = the best retirement in the industry, then count me in!!
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