Negotiating Committee - In or out?
11-14-2023 | 06:25 PM
#31
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Yeah, totally agree! Why the hell did that snake oil 169K improved pension and a totally sustainable new pension that adjusts for inflation ever get sold to us! Go sell that stink bomb somewhere else...give me my 130K pension now!!!
If snake oil = the best retirement in the industry, then count me in!!
If snake oil = the best retirement in the industry, then count me in!!
11-14-2023 | 06:41 PM
#32
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Good comms by TC from Council 22.
Go to FDX.Alpa.org
Under News, read:
Council 22 Message from the Block 2 & 5 Reps - 11/14/23
“An orderly transition to a refreshed Negotiating Committee is in the best interest of regaining the pilots' trust and rebuilding unity. It’s a required step in moving us forward, together to our shared goals and priorities.”- TC
Go to FDX.Alpa.org
Under News, read:
Council 22 Message from the Block 2 & 5 Reps - 11/14/23
“An orderly transition to a refreshed Negotiating Committee is in the best interest of regaining the pilots' trust and rebuilding unity. It’s a required step in moving us forward, together to our shared goals and priorities.”- TC
11-14-2023 | 07:06 PM
#33
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Just cause retirment was good for you, doesn't mean it was good for everybody dopey! Theres a whole slew of people in the middle senirority range that are too old for the new plan and young enough that they'll be screwed by inflation for another 20 years with this last and final change to the legacy A plan. Sorry you didn't get your retirement bump, hopefully you're gone before we get to TA2.0. Don't be such a bitter oooooolllld man !
Oh and maybe you'll be furloughed before we get to TA2.0. So there.
11-14-2023 | 07:13 PM
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Their years compressed? lol. Was that only for the people in the middle ? What a great consolation prize. I definitely wont be furloughed, but thanks bub. And luckily for me and those below me, there's never been a better time in aviation histroy to be furloughed. So even if we furlough half the list, we'll all be fine.
11-14-2023 | 07:34 PM
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Just cause retirment was good for you, doesn't mean it was good for everybody dopey! Theres a whole slew of people in the middle senirority range that are too old for the new plan and young enough that they'll be screwed by inflation for another 20 years with this last and final change to the legacy A plan. Sorry you didn't get your retirement bump, hopefully you're gone before we get to TA2.0. Don't be such a bitter oooooolllld man !
11-14-2023 | 07:49 PM
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Retirement wasn't perfect, but I don't think it's the reason it failed. The graph seems to show that. We fix pay/retro to industry leading, get rid of the QOL concessions, alleviate scope concerns, and I think retirement is fine. Of course, I'll take more money in retirement, but if I had a choice, I'd prefer more in the DC side instead of increasing beyond the 11% in MBCBP.
11-14-2023 | 08:26 PM
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There's a ton of different opinions on retirement. I'd love a higher % contribution. But I'd like higher pay and less QOL concessions more. I also don't love the pension. I don't trust it after seeing what's happened in our industry and to some family friends. I'd rather have money in my own accounts. I know a lot of people think differently, and I understand their reasons.
11-15-2023 | 04:54 AM
#38
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the pay compression to industry standard was PM's response to his scope blunder.
My quick math says you'd have to make almost $450k a year to only see a 15% contribution. Which good for you if that's the case.
There's a ton of different opinions on retirement. I'd love a higher % contribution. But I'd like higher pay and less QOL concessions more. I also don't love the pension. I don't trust it after seeing what's happened in our industry and to some family friends. I'd rather have money in my own accounts. I know a lot of people think differently, and I understand their reasons.
There's a ton of different opinions on retirement. I'd love a higher % contribution. But I'd like higher pay and less QOL concessions more. I also don't love the pension. I don't trust it after seeing what's happened in our industry and to some family friends. I'd rather have money in my own accounts. I know a lot of people think differently, and I understand their reasons.
11-15-2023 | 05:27 AM
#39
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lol a 3 year compress does not counter that.
the pay compression to industry standard was PM's response to his scope blunder.
Whenever we finally get a ratifiable TA, that would put most of our WB CAs at $450k/year.... to have them only getting 15% in lieu of a pension when right now they're getting 9% and a pension is not acceptable.
the pay compression to industry standard was PM's response to his scope blunder.
Whenever we finally get a ratifiable TA, that would put most of our WB CAs at $450k/year.... to have them only getting 15% in lieu of a pension when right now they're getting 9% and a pension is not acceptable.
I'm not arguing against more retirement. I'll take as much as I can. I just don't want it to come at the cost of getting paid now. Seems like focusing on retirement led us down our current path.
11-15-2023 | 05:40 AM
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So the leading pay rate next year is $438. If we beat that by 1% and get $442, that’s basically every WB Captain over ten years getting capped. You make it sound like it’s a one off. Are you using 2023 pay rates?
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