Negotiating Committee - In or out?
12-10-2023 | 06:36 AM
#131
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I heard an interesting rumor this week that the company was strongly considering a new requirement for the C19 vaxx. Apparently it’s starting to rear its ugly head overseas again and is raising concerns. Either way, it’d likely take care of the claimed overmanning at FDX and prevent the logistical nightmare we experienced last go around when other countries inevitably start requiring it again. Sounds like a win-win for both sides!
12-10-2023 | 08:06 AM
#132
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From: Crewmember
I heard an interesting rumor this week that the company was strongly considering a new requirement for the C19 vaxx. Apparently it’s starting to rear its ugly head overseas again and is raising concerns. Either way, it’d likely take care of the claimed overmanning at FDX and prevent the logistical nightmare we experienced last go around when other countries inevitably start requiring it again. Sounds like a win-win for both sides!
When I complained to the union, they did NOTHING.
12-10-2023 | 02:32 PM
#133
On Reserve
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They already defacto required it for pilots flying to Italy and Singapore. If you didn't get one, you were removed from said trip, without pay, and without the ability to make up any trip during the footprint of the original trip.
When I complained to the union, they did NOTHING.
When I complained to the union, they did NOTHING.
12-10-2023 | 02:42 PM
#134
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Respectfully, why should the company be responsible to make sure you get paid if you don't meet the requirements to fly to a certain country? Your choice to get jabbed (or not) should be upheld, but why would that be on the company to fix? Bid domestic, get jabbed, or enjoy more time off.
In the short-term, language might allow some folks to take advantage of that. But there's not going to be any assured income when you make a personal choice... otherwise everybody would decline vaccination, everybody would get paid time off, and nobody would fly. Doesn't sound economically viable.
12-10-2023 | 05:25 PM
#135
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From: 777
They already defacto required it for pilots flying to Italy and Singapore. If you didn't get one, you were removed from said trip, without pay, and without the ability to make up any trip during the footprint of the original trip.
When I complained to the union, they did NOTHING.
When I complained to the union, they did NOTHING.
12-11-2023 | 02:25 AM
#136
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From: Crewmember
Respectfully, why should the company be responsible to make sure you get paid if you don't meet the requirements to fly to a certain country? Your choice to get jabbed (or not) should be upheld, but why would that be on the company to fix? Bid domestic, get jabbed, or enjoy more time off.
12-11-2023 | 08:16 AM
#137
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Gotcha....I didn't know that was how it was done. Grateful I was able to stay domestic through that thrash!
12-11-2023 | 10:16 AM
#138
Aspiring PSA Captain
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Long-term, airlines are not likely to tolerate CBA provisions which require them to pay pilots who don't meet basic requirements to do the job, which does include vaccinations required by foriegn governments. That's totally out of the company's control.
In the short-term, language might allow some folks to take advantage of that. But there's not going to be any assured income when you make a personal choice... otherwise everybody would decline vaccination, everybody would get paid time off, and nobody would fly. Doesn't sound economically viable.
In the short-term, language might allow some folks to take advantage of that. But there's not going to be any assured income when you make a personal choice... otherwise everybody would decline vaccination, everybody would get paid time off, and nobody would fly. Doesn't sound economically viable.
The political posturing associated with the Covid vaccine has people irrationally thinking it will or should be treated differently because they "believe" really strongly in one side or the other. There is no allowance for strong beliefs in contract law.
12-11-2023 | 10:35 AM
#139
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You can bet that senior wolfpackers would intentionally stay unvaxxed (or lie about it), bid the trips intentionally, and then proceed to decimate the good open time trips thus screwing people with training/carry-in conflicts/VTO lines.
That's why we can't have nice things.
12-11-2023 | 10:48 AM
#140
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Military leave is treated the same way. Drop a 10 day because of 3 days of mil conflict, the footprint of the original trip is still blocked. I'm pretty sure this is meant to prevent abuses.
You can bet that senior wolfpackers would intentionally stay unvaxxed (or lie about it), bid the trips intentionally, and then proceed to decimate the good open time trips thus screwing people with training/carry-in conflicts/VTO lines.
That's why we can't have nice things.
You can bet that senior wolfpackers would intentionally stay unvaxxed (or lie about it), bid the trips intentionally, and then proceed to decimate the good open time trips thus screwing people with training/carry-in conflicts/VTO lines.
That's why we can't have nice things.
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