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Old 12-11-2023 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
No mil leave is not treated like that. Unless it changed very recently.
Maybe it isn't now - I haven't done it for quite awhile. It was treated that way when I was still doing it. It soesn't change my premise though:

"You can bet that senior wolfpackers would intentionally stay unvaxxed (or lie about it), bid the trips intentionally, and then proceed to decimate the good open time trips thus screwing people with training/carry-in conflicts/VTO lines."
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Old 12-12-2023 | 04:13 PM
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But, but, It was going to be different this time. The newly elected heros not following the masses?

I thought it was really gonna be different this time.....Sammy Hagar...Van Halen 5150...Inside...Track 9
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Old 12-14-2023 | 02:16 AM
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As per the recent MEC Chair communication , maybe the SM is actually the majority.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Maddog64
As per the recent MEC Chair communication , maybe the SM is actually the majority.
Or maybe many No voters don’t want to have a long negotiation, or interested in the TA, not so much who negotiated it.

We collectively should stop the tribalism and work together moving forward. Your post indicates you have massive rear view & side mirrors.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 08:29 AM
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Or maybe everyone realizes the untenable situation choices made by particular individuals have placed us in and reluctantly are accepting situation as it stands for now.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Maddog64
As per the recent MEC Chair communication , maybe the SM is actually the majority.
Talk about a bogus question!! I answered “No” to that (as a no voter) because why would anyone vote against an acceptable TA solely because of who negotiated it?! Seriously. Talk about spinning the narrative just like one would expect from professional politicians…

I adamantly believe the NC should’ve been replaced months ago and I have lost confidence in their abilities, but if they pull a deal out of their butts that meets the goals of the group then I’ll gladly vote in favor. If it’s anything remotely close to the last dumpster fire they pushed through then I’ll happily vote no yet again.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Maddog64
As per the recent MEC Chair communication , maybe the SM is actually the majority.
Using the logic of the one data point provided by the MEC Chair presents several issues. Both the question and the argument you’re using present both an existential fallacy and a false dilemma fallacy. In order for your data to support your point we would have to be presented with the question, “Do you believe that this particular NC Chairman can bring you a ratifiable TA?” followed by the answer. The question was non-specific in nature, likely with intent but that is only my opinion.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by YellowBanana
Talk about a bogus question!! I answered “No” to that (as a no voter) because why would anyone vote against an acceptable TA solely because of who negotiated it?! Seriously. Talk about spinning the narrative just like one would expect from professional politicians…

I adamantly believe the NC should’ve been replaced months ago and I have lost confidence in their abilities, but if they pull a deal out of their butts that meets the goals of the group then I’ll gladly vote in favor. If it’s anything remotely close to the last dumpster fire they pushed through then I’ll happily vote no yet again.
This right here.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddog64
As per the recent MEC Chair communication , maybe the SM is actually the majority.
No. The survey question was purposely worded in a way to get such a result.

The question that SHOULD have been asked, was, "Do you believe the current NC is capable of producing a TA that will meet your goals?" I am confident the answer to that, had it been asked, would have been a resounding, "NO."
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Old 12-14-2023 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chub
No. The survey question was purposely worded in a way to get such a result.

The question that SHOULD have been asked, was, "Do you believe the current NC is capable of producing a TA that will meet your goals?" I am confident the answer to that, had it been asked, would have been a resounding, "NO."
Just curious, why? There are new officers and block reps setting the priorities for TA 2.0. Maybe with a new team looking over their shoulder, the NC which does have a new, less senior member to represent your views can put out a more representative TA. Just because you don’t like the survey results doesn’t mean the NC can’t get the job done. New is not always better.
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