The NC stays … for now!
12-29-2023, 10:12 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Temocil27
having a brand new NC would mean we wouldn’t be able to negotiate for our scheduled sessions
Our options (as I saw them) were:
1) press ahead now with current NC and hope(?) the company is ready to make meaningful moves in the coming weeks. IMO there is a very real risk of a rushed TA1.1 by May, it failing, and very long delays after.
2) sack the NC, delay a few months, get our $h!t in a sock, and get a true TA2.0 without QOL concessions, real scope changes, and a more equitable distribution of $$$ and negotiating capital. Of course there's no guarantee the CO brings more $$$ with this option, but at least we'd in theory be using the $$$ available more in accordance with the greater pilot group priorities.
Looks like we're going with option 1. Fingers crossed but skepticism high.
12-29-2023, 10:14 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by willflyforfud
I fully respect your right to do the "I told ya so" dance in May if there is no progress. Please everyone just punch your clock and count to ten and breathe. We'll eventually get through this and people on the NC/MEC don't want to work at 2015 wages either. We are all on the same side.
Many on this board remind me of children who are told "NO" by their parents... "but I really want to do this" NO... but I Really Really want this .. etc
Going nuclear just because you aren't satisfied with a direction or decision is not a good coping mechanism. You are only a CAPT on "your" aircraft and we all need some good CRM to get to an uneventful landing and bfast beer. Let's tone the rhetoric down. We have a direction till May, get onboard. Maybe practice your dance.
Happy New Year!! 🎉
Many on this board remind me of children who are told "NO" by their parents... "but I really want to do this" NO... but I Really Really want this .. etc
Going nuclear just because you aren't satisfied with a direction or decision is not a good coping mechanism. You are only a CAPT on "your" aircraft and we all need some good CRM to get to an uneventful landing and bfast beer. Let's tone the rhetoric down. We have a direction till May, get onboard. Maybe practice your dance.
Happy New Year!! 🎉
tell me: what is childish about expecting the NC to do as he said: step down?
what is childish about expecting the union to represent the workers?
the adult thing to do is to clean house and start fresh, but the children are holding onto power at the expense of the union body!
the children are maneuvering for a 50+1 TA.
the adults are willing to wait for a fresh start and a fresh perspective, but the children are crying and screaming for the way it was.
and don’t gaslight me bro, we have every reason to be upset with how these children are behaving. poorly.
12-29-2023, 10:27 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by Anthrax
You are wrong. and you say I’m childish, and I say you are naive.
tell me: what is childish about expecting the NC to do as he said: step down?
what is childish about expecting the union to represent the workers?
the adult thing to do is to clean house and start fresh, but the children are holding onto power at the expense of the union body!
the children are maneuvering for a 50+1 TA.
the adults are willing to wait for a fresh start and a fresh perspective, but the children are crying and screaming for the way it was.
and don’t gaslight me bro, we have every reason to be upset with how these children are behaving. poorly.
tell me: what is childish about expecting the NC to do as he said: step down?
what is childish about expecting the union to represent the workers?
the adult thing to do is to clean house and start fresh, but the children are holding onto power at the expense of the union body!
the children are maneuvering for a 50+1 TA.
the adults are willing to wait for a fresh start and a fresh perspective, but the children are crying and screaming for the way it was.
and don’t gaslight me bro, we have every reason to be upset with how these children are behaving. poorly.
12-29-2023, 10:30 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Position: FedEx
Posts: 86
[QUOTE=Anthrax;3743025]so reschedule!
what would take longer? another failed TA negotiated by a known liar, or organizing a new team?
/QUOTE]
Nailed it. The reps who sought a new negotiating chairman, but agreed to this just got hoodwinked by the old Washington two-step. This doesn't solve anything, in fact it exacerbates it by kicking the can down the road by adding four additional months of wasted time. Do they think the same gaslighting over replacing Pat May isn't going to happen when we approach the end of April?! It will be even worse by that point.
what would take longer? another failed TA negotiated by a known liar, or organizing a new team?
/QUOTE]
Nailed it. The reps who sought a new negotiating chairman, but agreed to this just got hoodwinked by the old Washington two-step. This doesn't solve anything, in fact it exacerbates it by kicking the can down the road by adding four additional months of wasted time. Do they think the same gaslighting over replacing Pat May isn't going to happen when we approach the end of April?! It will be even worse by that point.
12-29-2023, 10:32 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Scarebus Captain
Posts: 1,089
Originally Posted by Anthrax
You are wrong. and you say I’m childish, and I say you are naive.
tell me: what is childish about expecting the NC to do as he said: step down?
what is childish about expecting the union to represent the workers?
the adult thing to do is to clean house and start fresh, but the children are holding onto power at the expense of the union body!
the children are maneuvering for a 50+1 TA.
the adults are willing to wait for a fresh start and a fresh perspective, but the children are crying and screaming for the way it was.
and don’t gaslight me bro, we have every reason to be upset with how these children are behaving. poorly.
tell me: what is childish about expecting the NC to do as he said: step down?
what is childish about expecting the union to represent the workers?
the adult thing to do is to clean house and start fresh, but the children are holding onto power at the expense of the union body!
the children are maneuvering for a 50+1 TA.
the adults are willing to wait for a fresh start and a fresh perspective, but the children are crying and screaming for the way it was.
and don’t gaslight me bro, we have every reason to be upset with how these children are behaving. poorly.
12-29-2023, 10:59 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by Anthrax
my breath is fine, you condescending twat!
and nobody over 40 uses the word gaslighting unless you have teen daughters or watch The View all day. nice maturity you've got. 🤣
12-29-2023, 11:10 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 616
Originally Posted by willflyforfud
still no... and go to your room.
and nobody over 40 uses the word gaslighting unless you have teen daughters or watch The View all day. nice maturity you've got. 🤣
and nobody over 40 uses the word gaslighting unless you have teen daughters or watch The View all day. nice maturity you've got. 🤣
tell me to breathe, again. I keep forgetting.
and tell me more, oh learned one. your pearls aren’t just dripping off your neck from last nights party. clearly, you have so much to offer.
12-29-2023, 11:16 AM
#19
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: MD-11/C-17
Posts: 258
Originally Posted by willflyforfud
still no... and go to your room.
and nobody over 40 uses the word gaslighting unless you have teen daughters or watch The View all day. nice maturity you've got. 🤣
and nobody over 40 uses the word gaslighting unless you have teen daughters or watch The View all day. nice maturity you've got. 🤣
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