Postal Contract
01-17-2024, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Theshowson
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01-17-2024, 03:38 PM
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It'll be interesting to see how much of this talk (or even a firm announcement) winds up coincident with a TA 1.000001
Remember folks - you'll live with the contract in some form for the rest of your career. The current economy, managers, postal contracts, etc. will be ancient history but the CBA will march on.
Remember folks - you'll live with the contract in some form for the rest of your career. The current economy, managers, postal contracts, etc. will be ancient history but the CBA will march on.
01-17-2024, 06:27 PM
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US Postal Service cuts aircraft volume by more than 90% Supply Chain Dive
USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.
Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.
Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii
As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.
SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.
It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.
PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).
He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.
But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a fantastical story Pat...
USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.
Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.
Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii
As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.
SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.
It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.
PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).
He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.
But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a fantastical story Pat...
01-17-2024, 06:36 PM
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Another reason they can't fulough is that there are too many junion FO's in the 777, where they need them.
If they furloughed, they would have to train up a bunch of other folks to replace them, so they can't.
All of this because we gave up passover pay in 2015.
If they furloughed, they would have to train up a bunch of other folks to replace them, so they can't.
All of this because we gave up passover pay in 2015.
01-18-2024, 05:33 AM
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Postal Contract
https://www.reuters.com/business/fed...ks-2024-01-18/
"Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be defeated" Sun Tzu
"Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be defeated" Sun Tzu
01-18-2024, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Reese
US Postal Service cuts aircraft volume by more than 90% Supply Chain Dive
USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.
Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.
Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii
As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.
SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.
It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.
PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).
He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.
But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a fantastical story Pat...
USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.
Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.
Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii
As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.
SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.
It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.
PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).
He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.
But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a fantastical story Pat...
01-18-2024, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Reese
US Postal Service cuts aircraft volume by more than 90% Supply Chain Dive
USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.
Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.
Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii
As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.
SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.
It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.
PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).
He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.
But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a fantastical story Pat...
USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.
Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.
Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii
As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.
SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.
It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.
PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).
He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.
But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a fantastical story Pat...
01-18-2024, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Reese
US Postal Service cuts aircraft volume by more than 90% Supply Chain Dive
USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.
Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.
Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii
As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.
SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.
It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.
PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).
He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.
But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a fantastical story Pat...
USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.
Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.
Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii
As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.
SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.
It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.
PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).
He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.
But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a fantastical story Pat...
I don't believe there will be a furlough either, but saying that they can't furlough based on what you posted isn't necissarily true.
In 2001, the MEC and a lot of pilots were saying that the company couldn't fly the postal contract unless they came to us for some relief. The company made an offer, which sucked by the way, and the MEC said no, we want to open other sections of the contract as well. The company said they would do it without any changes to the contract, and they did.
When we entered 4a2b the last time, there were a lot of unused reserves. The company decided to up reserve utilization by cutting the number of reserve lines. They went to something like 80% reserve utilization and all of those extra reserve lines and pilots were put on regular lines. More pilots, same flying, what we now call the SAM went down. Could the same thing happen again.
As far as the line spread goes, there are percentages attached to those numbers. Also, there is nothing that says they need to stay in 42b/c once they furlough, so all of those restrictions would go away. The position of the MEC the last time we went into 4a2b was that as soon as the company furloughed, they had to exit 4a2b because it was no longer being used to prevent a furlough.
The company can also buy up lines to meet that spread according to the contract.
Originally Posted by Nightflyer
Another reason they can't fulough is that there are too many junion FO's in the 777, where they need them.
If they furloughed, they would have to train up a bunch of other folks to replace them, so they can't.
All of this because we gave up passover pay in 2015.
If they furloughed, they would have to train up a bunch of other folks to replace them, so they can't.
All of this because we gave up passover pay in 2015.
Again, I don't think that there will be a furlough. Saying that there is no way the company could furlough isn't supported by the contract.
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