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Comedy-hour continues…
Make sure to swallow the coffee you just drank before reading. I am not responsible for any damage done to devices that is a result of your reaction to this hilarious MEC Chair campaign add. Though you can certainly reach out to its author and demand reparations from him, he’s clearly swimming in cash since TA 1.0 was good enough for him.
My name is [company shill] and I am running for MEC Chair because the direction this MEC is taking us continues to embarrass us as pilot group and sow disunity in ways that sabotages our ability to complete a contract for the indefinite future. To put it simply, we are sacrificing, on average, over $12,000 per pilot/month to watch high school level antics and delusional missives from our MEC proclaiming unity and leverage in negotiations, neither of which exist. While they delay any resolution and continue to bicker, the company will benefit from the windfall to allow for stock buy backs and modernization at our expense. Just as importantly, they buy time to leverage new technologies and evolving supply chain dynamics which allow them to shrink reliance on aircraft to meet their needs. If you are wholesale bought in to the blather you hear from the current MEC, then you don't need to read further, but if you think (just maybe) this continued buffoonery puts your livelihood at risk, then read on.
Resume: I'm 56, hired in 2002 at FedEx after 18 months at US Air, and currently a Memphis based (commuting) 777 FO. I am also retired Air Force, and during my extended time on military leave, I held several staff and command positions, to include the Air National Guard Readiness Center with a staff of over 2000 and a $10B appropriation to support all 107,000 ANG members nationwide. I readily admit that I don't have ALPA experience, I'm not in the club, and I'm not someone looking to climb the ranks to lofty levels of influence in ALPA or the company....'ve already achieved my professional, family, and financial aspirations as I approach my second retirement.
But I also believe I have the skills necessary to push back on the disruptive actions of this MEC while ensuring we get an industry-leading, fair contract from FEDEX and protect a long-term profitable future for you and your families.
I have absolutely no illusion that I will receive the support of this MEC to be your chair, but if anything I said resonates with you, then you should be asking your reps what their plan is when their current efforts continue to fall flat. If you get no answer, then continuing to support the MEC and their calls for public demonstrations of unity is folly and serves no purpose but to prolong the chaos that finds us where we are today. If you're not ready to ask the tough questions now, you might keep them in mind for a year or two down the line when we're in exactly the same place we are today, and you're another couple/few hundred grand down due to all the drama without results. Thank you for your time.
To a better future,
F/O Company Shill
- The continuous drama and churn of recalls has now cost us $100,000 on average per pilot in just eight months with little to show except a glimmer of hope from this MEC that we can get a TA in ONLY eight more months...and will cost us another $100,000 per pilot. Given that we have effectively withdrawn from negotiations, contrary to all normal NMB procedures and against the recommendation of even ALPA national, this end of year estimate for a contract is almost certainly a fantasy they want you to believe so we can all join them on this fool's errand.
- There is a less than ZERO chance the NMB will release us given that the MEC has effectively cut short any efforts to close a contract in good faith. The reality is, under Railway Labor, unlike the UAW or UPS drivers' contracts, our contract exists indefinitely, so as this drags on for years or longer, it benefits only the company, not the pilots.
- "Yes, but won't investors and customers get skittish and run if we show up on Wall| Street?" No, they will not. Did anyone notice that when we turned down the TA the stock price immediately popped up? Institutional investors and high-volume customers are sophisticated enough to know these MEC efforts are fruitless at this point. They will appropriately see it as nothing more than a temper tantrum which only ensures continued operations at lower labor costs allowing for even more buy-backs, recapitalization, and modernization. In other words, we're self-funding our own demise and shareholder profit, the company is smart enough to take advantage where they have it.
- As for this idea that somehow America will realize how profitable FedEx is and rally to defend the pilot group, you might first consider that the median average income for Americans is ballpark $60,000 a year while our TA on the table brings our total compensation (as valued by ALPA) at about $550,000 a year per pilot. So good luck with that; you might try this faulty reasoning on a neighbor or even a random person in a grocery store before we count on it to rally the nation behind us. If you're still not convinced, note that Apple had a NET income of almost $1008 (with a B) in 2023 and I did not see the country rise up demanding higher wages for Apple employees, or even for cheaper iPhones.
- That brings us to our so-called LEVERAGE this MEC keeps discussing. We have almost none. We have too many pilots, our largest Asian customer, China, is experiencing significant economic and political challenges, FEDEX is using technology to become more efficient as they are switching from air to ground movement whenever possible to lower costs. As much as we want to believe it, we simply do not have the leverage that allows us to show the NMB, the Biden Administration, or the public that a contract valued at over 25% more than Delta's new contract is NOT ENOUGH. Once more, if you review the last year of FEDEX financials, you will find that as flying block hours went down, their profits went up.
- Going forward, the MD-11 will retire as fast as they can train the pilots, then the 757 and the Bus to follow. We are a 5500-pilot company that could soon have only two fleet types and a 3500-4000 pilot requirement. Nothing in our current contract would preclude any of those events from taking place...time and resources (provided graciously by us are to the benefit of the company as they look 10 years down the road.
Resume: I'm 56, hired in 2002 at FedEx after 18 months at US Air, and currently a Memphis based (commuting) 777 FO. I am also retired Air Force, and during my extended time on military leave, I held several staff and command positions, to include the Air National Guard Readiness Center with a staff of over 2000 and a $10B appropriation to support all 107,000 ANG members nationwide. I readily admit that I don't have ALPA experience, I'm not in the club, and I'm not someone looking to climb the ranks to lofty levels of influence in ALPA or the company....'ve already achieved my professional, family, and financial aspirations as I approach my second retirement.
But I also believe I have the skills necessary to push back on the disruptive actions of this MEC while ensuring we get an industry-leading, fair contract from FEDEX and protect a long-term profitable future for you and your families.
I have absolutely no illusion that I will receive the support of this MEC to be your chair, but if anything I said resonates with you, then you should be asking your reps what their plan is when their current efforts continue to fall flat. If you get no answer, then continuing to support the MEC and their calls for public demonstrations of unity is folly and serves no purpose but to prolong the chaos that finds us where we are today. If you're not ready to ask the tough questions now, you might keep them in mind for a year or two down the line when we're in exactly the same place we are today, and you're another couple/few hundred grand down due to all the drama without results. Thank you for your time.
To a better future,
F/O Company Shill
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Make sure to swallow the coffee you just drank before reading. I am not responsible for any damage done to devices that is a result of your reaction to this hilarious MEC Chair campaign add. Though you can certainly reach out to its author and demand reparations from him, he’s clearly swimming in cash since TA 1.0 was good enough for him.
While there are a few great discussions and valid counterpoints to gather from the 100's of posts daily, ALL of this guy's posts would be funny if not for the fact that I may be forced to fly with him one day.
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Myself, or others might disagree with him, but I respect him for putting his argument out there for us all to consider even though he hast to know he's going to be severely ridiculed.
Maybe instead of questioning his character, it would be more productive to address his argument point by point.
Maybe instead of questioning his character, it would be more productive to address his argument point by point.
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Myself, or others might disagree with him, but I respect him for putting his argument out there for us all to consider even though he hast to know he's going to be severely ridiculed.
Maybe instead of questioning his character, it would be more productive to address his argument point by point.
Maybe instead of questioning his character, it would be more productive to address his argument point by point.
I believe that has already been done ad naseum.
He’s just repeating the same old tired silent majority talking points that have all been disproven several times over. With all the layoffs that appear to be happening it’s evident that this will be the fight of our lifetime and cozying up to play nice with management is not, and was not, the right strategy for this TA.
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I believe that has already been done ad naseum.
He’s just repeating the same old tired silent majority talking points that have all been disproven several times over. With all the layoffs that appear to be happening it’s evident that this will be the fight of our lifetime and cozying up to play nice with management is not, and was not, the right strategy for this TA.
He’s just repeating the same old tired silent majority talking points that have all been disproven several times over. With all the layoffs that appear to be happening it’s evident that this will be the fight of our lifetime and cozying up to play nice with management is not, and was not, the right strategy for this TA.
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I believe that has already been done ad naseum.
He’s just repeating the same old tired silent majority talking points that have all been disproven several times over. With all the layoffs that appear to be happening it’s evident that this will be the fight of our lifetime and cozying up to play nice with management is not, and was not, the right strategy for this TA.
He’s just repeating the same old tired silent majority talking points that have all been disproven several times over. With all the layoffs that appear to be happening it’s evident that this will be the fight of our lifetime and cozying up to play nice with management is not, and was not, the right strategy for this TA.
How much money has the average Fedex pilot lost since TA1 failed? Not $100k? Then how much?
The next three bullets seem mostly correct. Anyone notice the stock price today after hours? As I type this it's up 12.89%. What else happened today? Oh, that's right. We picketed outside Wall Street.🤦♂️ Yeah, pretty sure investors aren't even remotely concerned about our contract. Or lack of. And they know we'll never be released to strike. Especially in an election year. Instead of them being sympathetic to our cause, they just pushed our stock toward its record high. As I type this it has jumped 15.2%. Maybe we should avoid picketing in the future, unless our goal is to highlight for investors that FedEx isn't going to spend their investment dollars on our contract. I will say I don't know about the "25% more than Delta's new contract". But investors don't care about that either. Like the company, they are focused on profits. Paying employees less and firing employees seems to make them both happy. When are we going to figure that out and stop claiming it as leverage? (Edited to add that yes I know earnings were posted today and that's what drove up the stock price. But we picketed today because earnings were released and we wanted investors to know we still didn't have a contract. Message passed. And apparently ignored)
I also don't know about the last bullet. Speculation. Although I think it's safe to say the flying side of FedEx won't be growing. But none of that is proveable or disprovable until it happens. Still waiting for word on the Postal Contract. 5 months until it expires. Anyone still think that's leverage for us?
So maybe someone can help me out. Can anyone post the data or evidence that "disproves" what he says? Or does he raise some valid points?
Last edited by Rock; 03-21-2024 at 02:46 PM.
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I don't know him, probably have never met him and the only unofficial fedex website I'm on is this one. But I read his bullet points. You say they've already been disproven several times over? Really?
How much money has the average Fedex pilot lost since TA1 failed? Not $100k? Then how much?
So maybe someone can help me out. Can anyone post the data or evidence that "disproves" what he says? Or does he raise some valid points?
How much money has the average Fedex pilot lost since TA1 failed? Not $100k? Then how much?
So maybe someone can help me out. Can anyone post the data or evidence that "disproves" what he says? Or does he raise some valid points?
Plenty of his other points have varying degrees of validity to them, but deserve little in the way of time spent refuting individual points. He's angry and bitter that we unwashed, drooling masses did not see TA 1.0 as worthy of a yes vote.
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Too bad he wasn't at US Air longer. He'd understand that capitulation and appeasement do not have any effect on endgame as far as corporate strategy is concerned. I do appreciate that his corner of the Air Force turned $10 billion in profit though I guess we're submitting OPR bullets now.
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I don't know him, probably have never met him and the only unofficial fedex website I'm on is this one. But I read his bullet points. You say they've already been disproven several times over? Really?
How much money has the average Fedex pilot lost since TA1 failed? Not $100k? Then how much?
The next three bullets seem mostly correct. Anyone notice the stock price today after hours? As I type this it's up 12.89%. What else happened today? Oh, that's right. We picketed outside Wall Street.🤦♂️ Yeah, pretty sure investors aren't even remotely concerned about our contract. Or lack of. And they know we'll never be released to strike. Especially in an election year. Instead of them being sympathetic to our cause, they just pushed our stock toward its record high. As I type this it has jumped 15.2%. Maybe we should avoid picketing in the future, unless our goal is to highlight for investors that FedEx isn't going to spend their investment dollars on our contract. I will say I don't know about the "25% more than Delta's new contract". But investors don't care about that either. Like the company, they are focused on profits. Paying employees less and firing employees seems to make them both happy. When are we going to figure that out and stop claiming it as leverage? (Edited to add that yes I know earnings were posted today and that's what drove up the stock price. But we picketed today because earnings were released and we wanted investors to know we still didn't have a contract. Message passed. And apparently ignored)
I also don't know about the last bullet. Speculation. Although I think it's safe to say the flying side of FedEx won't be growing. But none of that is proveable or disprovable until it happens. Still waiting for word on the Postal Contract. 5 months until it expires. Anyone still think that's leverage for us?
So maybe someone can help me out. Can anyone post the data or evidence that "disproves" what he says? Or does he raise some valid points?
How much money has the average Fedex pilot lost since TA1 failed? Not $100k? Then how much?
The next three bullets seem mostly correct. Anyone notice the stock price today after hours? As I type this it's up 12.89%. What else happened today? Oh, that's right. We picketed outside Wall Street.🤦♂️ Yeah, pretty sure investors aren't even remotely concerned about our contract. Or lack of. And they know we'll never be released to strike. Especially in an election year. Instead of them being sympathetic to our cause, they just pushed our stock toward its record high. As I type this it has jumped 15.2%. Maybe we should avoid picketing in the future, unless our goal is to highlight for investors that FedEx isn't going to spend their investment dollars on our contract. I will say I don't know about the "25% more than Delta's new contract". But investors don't care about that either. Like the company, they are focused on profits. Paying employees less and firing employees seems to make them both happy. When are we going to figure that out and stop claiming it as leverage? (Edited to add that yes I know earnings were posted today and that's what drove up the stock price. But we picketed today because earnings were released and we wanted investors to know we still didn't have a contract. Message passed. And apparently ignored)
I also don't know about the last bullet. Speculation. Although I think it's safe to say the flying side of FedEx won't be growing. But none of that is proveable or disprovable until it happens. Still waiting for word on the Postal Contract. 5 months until it expires. Anyone still think that's leverage for us?
So maybe someone can help me out. Can anyone post the data or evidence that "disproves" what he says? Or does he raise some valid points?
Rock,
You just don’t understand leverage. After a few more recalls and we get the right people in place you’ll understand. They will use leverage. It’s going to be awesome.
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