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#131
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In line with your point, there are aspects of UAL disability that are not captured in these screenshots. UAL disability is not taxed. Which is why it looks like it is less than DAL. According to my council rep our values basically match DAL due to the lack of taxation. Additionally, those that go on UAL disability after the new contract was signed get profit sharing. UAL pilots can now purchase additional disability insurance that will not offset UAL payments.
#132
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Delta pilots due have the option to purchase additional disability insurance through the union that is untaxed. Disability insurance tax status is based on how much the individual contributes to the cost. In the case of Delta it's 100% company funded so the IRS taxes it. The UAL plan is partially funded by the UAL pilots at a level that meets the IRS requirement for no taxes. Theory being you paid for the benefit with taxed income so should not be taxed again.
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You two statements above are not the same. One says that is what you get, the other from the contract says that is how FAE's are determined if you go out in the first 365 days. There is a big difference. They get 50% of FAE.
There is a difference in what has been stated is the minimum and what a true minimum is. If it were a true minimum, or floor, it would apply to everyone on the MSL. As stated in the contract and the negotiators notepad, the above only applies if the pilot goes out during the first 365 days. If the pilot went out on day 368, then that formula/exception would not apply. So, if that pilot had only worked 900 hours at first year pay for there 12 month FAE, they would get 50% of that amount, which would be lower. At least that is how it is written in the contract.
There is a difference in what has been stated is the minimum and what a true minimum is. If it were a true minimum, or floor, it would apply to everyone on the MSL. As stated in the contract and the negotiators notepad, the above only applies if the pilot goes out during the first 365 days. If the pilot went out on day 368, then that formula/exception would not apply. So, if that pilot had only worked 900 hours at first year pay for there 12 month FAE, they would get 50% of that amount, which would be lower. At least that is how it is written in the contract.
Disability benefits.
https://i.imgur.com/HJDxmYw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6E7DkpR.jpg
Basically we burn sick time for 6 months as part of STD, then go on company-provided Loss of Licence from months 7-24, then month 25+ are on LTD.
I currently pay $175/check for the IPA Mutual Aid Program that covers the balance between STD/LOL benefit and full guarantee at my longevity. I also pay $248/check for voluntary LTD coverage that IPA offers through The Standard that provides $20k/mo tax free through age 65 (though there is a pension offset starting at 60). I also have an external $157/mo policy through Peterson that provides $4k+/mo supplemental loss of license income above and beyond all the above programs.
https://i.imgur.com/HJDxmYw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6E7DkpR.jpg
Basically we burn sick time for 6 months as part of STD, then go on company-provided Loss of Licence from months 7-24, then month 25+ are on LTD.
I currently pay $175/check for the IPA Mutual Aid Program that covers the balance between STD/LOL benefit and full guarantee at my longevity. I also pay $248/check for voluntary LTD coverage that IPA offers through The Standard that provides $20k/mo tax free through age 65 (though there is a pension offset starting at 60). I also have an external $157/mo policy through Peterson that provides $4k+/mo supplemental loss of license income above and beyond all the above programs.
A little outdated for the pax side. Delta's recent contract eliminated the 30-month/54-month lifetime max restriction on eligibility for psychiatric disabilities. Psychiatric disabilities now treated the same as physical disability. Also the aforementioned new disability floor isn't in the graphic. Can't speak to the other airlines. I do understand this post was mainly for the UPS stuff. Just wanted to clarify in case eyes wandered to the other companies.
Last edited by FXLAX; 12-04-2024 at 02:04 PM.
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