View Poll Results: Would u have voted Y if full retro was in TA1
With full retro I would have voted yes on TA1 as is
22
20.75%
With full retro I would have voted no on TA1 as is
84
79.25%
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True Retro
12-27-2024 | 10:49 AM
#13
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From: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
2026 will be interesting for Giant when our contract tug of war hits hard. Just wondering with all the Purple contract delays that the two ends will cross paths for some reason or another. Just spitballing nothing more.
12-27-2024 | 07:59 PM
#14
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I want to see the airline become a top career destination again, but the company would have to make a substantial offer to make amends AND change current operational/scheduling practices to begin to change attitudes within the airline and in the industry.
Full retro or a substantial amendable period recovery payment is absolutely needed in the next TA along with much more, but I refuse to play your game and negotiate in public.
12-28-2024 | 05:38 AM
#15
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Joined: Sep 2024
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Full Retro is a pipe dream. If we can get to within 10% of industry standard pay rates that would be a win at this point. As far as a destination airline, that train has left. The company clearly would rather outsource or contract, cheaper for the bottom line. Amazing how the last MEC/NC tried so hard to say the company cares about operational control and protecting the brand. The world on time being removed shows how much they care about a brand.
12-28-2024 | 06:38 AM
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From: Wichita
12-28-2024 | 06:42 AM
#18
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From: Excessed WB Capt.
This will never happen. They would totally rebuild their lift capacity to be all third party if the current pilot group didn't have a CBA. Of course it wouldn't happen system wide over night but holy crap. How quickly did ASL come in and overtake most of the European flying? They are as interested in owning planes as Uber is owning cabs and Airbnb is owning housing... I feel like most of the pilot group doesn't understand the monumental strategic shift going on. Boxes don't care whose flying em...people do.
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12-28-2024 | 06:57 AM
#19
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This will never happen. They would totally rebuild their lift capacity to be all third party if the current pilot group didn't have a CBA. Of course it wouldn't happen system wide over night but holy crap. How quickly did ASL come in and overtake most of the European flying? They are as interested in owning planes as Uber is owning cabs and Airbnb is owning housing... I feel like most of the pilot group doesn't understand the monumental strategic shift going on. Boxes don't care whose flying em...people do.
01-05-2025 | 06:17 PM
#20
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,223
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From: Legacy FO
This will never happen. They would totally rebuild their lift capacity to be all third party if the current pilot group didn't have a CBA. Of course it wouldn't happen system wide over night but holy crap. How quickly did ASL come in and overtake most of the European flying? They are as interested in owning planes as Uber is owning cabs and Airbnb is owning housing... I feel like most of the pilot group doesn't understand the monumental strategic shift going on. Boxes don't care whose flying em...people do.
And we have pilots arguing over retro pay.
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