View Poll Results: Would u have voted Y if full retro was in TA1

With full retro I would have voted yes on TA1 as is

20.75%

With full retro I would have voted no on TA1 as is

79.25%

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01-06-2025 | 01:35 AM

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Nordhavn

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^

And we have pilots arguing over retro pay.

If you are an old fook than we get it. Everyone else who neglects section 1 is a noob to the industry or a company apologist. You vote your own demise.

01-12-2025 | 04:29 PM

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HelpABrotherOut

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Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318

Is your mind changed yet?

Retro was just one of several problems caused by PM/CN/MEC/NCs target fixation on Retirement bump.

That focus came from membership polling. Pay, retirement and a few focused QOL issues. Their guidance came directly from the MEC reps, which came from the pilots.

I'm blown away that so many folks voted no to millions of $ of pay/retirement because they were mad about $30K. So dumb.

01-12-2025 | 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut

yup. That’s all we were mad about. So dumb.

01-12-2025 | 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut

More are shocked at how 40% of our seniority list thinks that the remaining 60% would vote yes on a TA that benefited mostly people like you. So dumb.

01-12-2025 | 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BertMacklinFBI

yup. That’s all we were mad about. So dumb.

Your inability to see what TA1 scope would have done to decimate livelihoods is perplexing. (Selfish). Your ignorance is astoundingly inexcusably.

01-12-2025 | 05:30 PM

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Your inability to see what TA1 scope would have done to decimate livelihoods is perplexing. (Selfish). Your ignorance is astoundingly inexcusably.

i think you missed my sarcasm. TA1 was dog turd.

01-12-2025 | 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BertMacklinFBI

i think you missed my sarcasm. TA1 was dog turd.

Totally did. My bad. Calling it a dog turd is putting it lightly. My apologies. Here’s to TA2 union brother!

01-12-2025 | 06:38 PM

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Your inability to see what TA1 scope would have done to decimate livelihoods is perplexing. (Selfish). Your ignorance is astoundingly inexcusably.

What could they have done (Scope wise) under TA1 that they can't do today?

01-12-2025 | 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut

Somehow the CN MEC/PM NC took the polling data from the pilots and reintrepreted it as "let the company do anything they want to the contract as long as we can get any sort of increase to the pension, but only for one time and never more, and only for pilots currently on the property" and then they promised to step down if the vote showed that they truly did misintrepet it, which it ultimately did, but yet they ultimately did not.