And just remember how many years JD was able to slow-roll the f*ck-job at Giant.

This isn't amateur hour over at Hack's Cross; they're playing to win.

 

Again, I voted against the TA and I don't think we should accept a concessionary deal.

We're about to enter year 11 of a 6 year deal. Really think about that... the company is likely to get a true BOGO out of the 2015 contract. The MEC/Management relationship seems more akin to the WWE than actual labor representation. I just don't understand how anyone considers what we're doing now as "fighting" and/or "standing firm".

That's fair but what do you mean when you say the "old Fedex"? (Genuinely asking) because according to the MEC's pilot history timeline and almost every sr person I talk to, management has always had a contentious relationship with labor... particularly during negotiations. Perhaps I'm underestimating JD & the new squad but again, I'm not sure (yet) that a tough bargaining cycle is cause for surrendering decent seniority and starting over somewhere as #15,000 or whatever. I reserve the right to be woefully wrong about this, of course.

 

good point, it’s tough to “fight” or “stand firm” when union members decide that not pushing for a reimbursement from the company for a hotel (that the COMPANY booked) when they turned a receipt in for it. “Eh, it’s not a big deal, easier for me to just pay for it”. 🤷🏻‍♂️ one example of many….

frog

 

Just to be clear time always works for management not pilots. Management loves time! The Delta deal was a classic of time. Delta pilots settled for less than 20% of what they opened for and they took absolute peanuts for the first 3 years of the contract. The cost to the company for the first two years was virtually nothing. Two 4% non compounding not pensionable bonuses. The third year a 12% bonus. For 3 years management had zero increase in work rule costs, retirement and insurance. Once signed the raises seem nice but averaged back to the amendable date were a single not a home run. Managements love time.

 

<sigh> Sailing fails to mention this little thing called Covid, which wrecked all negotiations for the pax industry for about a year and a half. It would have been absolutely foolish to keep negotiating in that temporary environment. 95% of pax traffic disappeared literally overnight. Not anywhere near the environment you cargo dogs are/were in.

FWIW, overall, the vast majority of DL pilots are quite happy with our current 4-year contract, 'retro' notwithstanding.

Hold the line, hope you get everything you deserve. Stay unified.

 

On top of this being during COVID…their contract still blew the contract here out of the water, pre negotiations.


You are right though, they do love time, especially when they’ve got a pilot group that is as divided as this one is.

groggy frog