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09-29-2025 | 05:26 PM
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So being pretty junior 76 guy I met the guy once he seems ok. Does this mean he's coming back as the negotiator? I was told you have to take an ALPA school etc and he's one of the only ones we have on property unless we want to send guy off in the spring. Im new to the union stuff so this is a learning experience.
09-29-2025 | 05:38 PM
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So being pretty junior 76 guy I met the guy once he seems ok. Does this mean he's coming back as the negotiator? I was told you have to take an ALPA school etc and he's one of the only ones we have on property unless we want to send guy off in the spring. Im new to the union stuff so this is a learning experience.
He will not be part of the discussion. I think he will only cause more delays with membership trust issues. He had his chance and failed. There is no shame in it. If we seriously want to reconsider Pat we must also put JG and TF in that conversation.
09-29-2025 | 05:38 PM
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So being pretty junior 76 guy I met the guy once he seems ok. Does this mean he's coming back as the negotiator? I was told you have to take an ALPA school etc and he's one of the only ones we have on property unless we want to send guy off in the spring. Im new to the union stuff so this is a learning experience.
09-29-2025 | 05:58 PM
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So being pretty junior 76 guy I met the guy once he seems ok. Does this mean he's coming back as the negotiator? I was told you have to take an ALPA school etc and he's one of the only ones we have on property unless we want to send guy off in the spring. Im new to the union stuff so this is a learning experience.
who knows, this is some bizzaro world twilight zone madness.
09-29-2025 | 07:28 PM
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So being pretty junior 76 guy I met the guy once he seems ok. Does this mean he's coming back as the negotiator? I was told you have to take an ALPA school etc and he's one of the only ones we have on property unless we want to send guy off in the spring. Im new to the union stuff so this is a learning experience.
09-30-2025 | 02:58 AM
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So is this where we are now, hand the mic to the next guy for his turn up at open mic night, err, negotiating committee? Agreed probably for the best, JG had his shot. But it looks awful and the company loves every second of this for us.
Meanwhile the company’s lawyers probably are on a nice golf retreat, seeing as their next NMB meeting is 6-9 months away.
Meanwhile the company’s lawyers probably are on a nice golf retreat, seeing as their next NMB meeting is 6-9 months away.
09-30-2025 | 03:28 AM
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On the MEC
The negotiating committee works for the MEC. This failure to get move negotiations forward falls firmly not on the NC but on the MEC.
When the TA failed 47-53% the NC returned to the table with a TA that was nearly double the value of the failed TA. That means either one of two things:
(1) The NC got their guidance from the MEC to return with untenable negotiating positions. The fact is that the previous TA only failed by 3%….to return with twice the cost would be received by anyone on the other side of the table as extreme. Imagine buying your car and coming close to a deal only to return the next day to find they are asking for double the price….it doesn’t signal you are actually serious about getting a deal. If this is how it was conducted ENTIRELY on the MEC.
(2) The negotiating committee went rogue. The MEC offered reasonable guidance to the NC and they went rogue. They independently came up with an untenable initial position. If this is what happened, then it was the responsibility of the MEC to reign in the NC and provide leadership and guidance. If this is how it was conducted ENTIRELY on the MEC.
Our union continues to engage in end fighting and finger pointing. Never have we needed strong steady professional leadership more. Two years later we continue to see a rotating door to our union. It is a rudderless ship that is lost in bickering and petulance towards one another. Obtaining/enforcing a contract is THE PINNACLE RESPONSIBILITY of our union leadership. THE MEC IS FAILING. Not every block is going to get everything they desire. The negotiating position of our union needs to be attainable.
Everyone sees this lack of leadership….the Company, The NMB, and the pilots here at FedEx. You want the pilots to be committed to unified in purpose behind the union? You’ve got to get your house in order first….the chaos we continue to see is thoroughly inconsistent with any leadership model people want to follow.
When the TA failed 47-53% the NC returned to the table with a TA that was nearly double the value of the failed TA. That means either one of two things:
(1) The NC got their guidance from the MEC to return with untenable negotiating positions. The fact is that the previous TA only failed by 3%….to return with twice the cost would be received by anyone on the other side of the table as extreme. Imagine buying your car and coming close to a deal only to return the next day to find they are asking for double the price….it doesn’t signal you are actually serious about getting a deal. If this is how it was conducted ENTIRELY on the MEC.
(2) The negotiating committee went rogue. The MEC offered reasonable guidance to the NC and they went rogue. They independently came up with an untenable initial position. If this is what happened, then it was the responsibility of the MEC to reign in the NC and provide leadership and guidance. If this is how it was conducted ENTIRELY on the MEC.
Our union continues to engage in end fighting and finger pointing. Never have we needed strong steady professional leadership more. Two years later we continue to see a rotating door to our union. It is a rudderless ship that is lost in bickering and petulance towards one another. Obtaining/enforcing a contract is THE PINNACLE RESPONSIBILITY of our union leadership. THE MEC IS FAILING. Not every block is going to get everything they desire. The negotiating position of our union needs to be attainable.
Everyone sees this lack of leadership….the Company, The NMB, and the pilots here at FedEx. You want the pilots to be committed to unified in purpose behind the union? You’ve got to get your house in order first….the chaos we continue to see is thoroughly inconsistent with any leadership model people want to follow.
09-30-2025 | 04:03 AM
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The negotiating committee works for the MEC. This failure to get move negotiations forward falls firmly not on the NC but on the MEC.
When the TA failed 47-53% the NC returned to the table with a TA that was nearly double the value of the failed TA. That means either one of two things:
(1) The NC got their guidance from the MEC to return with untenable negotiating positions. The fact is that the previous TA only failed by 3%….to return with twice the cost would be received by anyone on the other side of the table as extreme. Imagine buying your car and coming close to a deal only to return the next day to find they are asking for double the price….it doesn’t signal you are actually serious about getting a deal. If this is how it was conducted ENTIRELY on the MEC.
(2) The negotiating committee went rogue. The MEC offered reasonable guidance to the NC and they went rogue. They independently came up with an untenable initial position. If this is what happened, then it was the responsibility of the MEC to reign in the NC and provide leadership and guidance. If this is how it was conducted ENTIRELY on the MEC.
Our union continues to engage in end fighting and finger pointing. Never have we needed strong steady professional leadership more. Two years later we continue to see a rotating door to our union. It is a rudderless ship that is lost in bickering and petulance towards one another. Obtaining/enforcing a contract is THE PINNACLE RESPONSIBILITY of our union leadership. THE MEC IS FAILING. Not every block is going to get everything they desire. The negotiating position of our union needs to be attainable.
Everyone sees this lack of leadership….the Company, The NMB, and the pilots here at FedEx. You want the pilots to be committed to unified in purpose behind the union? You’ve got to get your house in order first….the chaos we continue to see is thoroughly inconsistent with any leadership model people want to follow.
When the TA failed 47-53% the NC returned to the table with a TA that was nearly double the value of the failed TA. That means either one of two things:
(1) The NC got their guidance from the MEC to return with untenable negotiating positions. The fact is that the previous TA only failed by 3%….to return with twice the cost would be received by anyone on the other side of the table as extreme. Imagine buying your car and coming close to a deal only to return the next day to find they are asking for double the price….it doesn’t signal you are actually serious about getting a deal. If this is how it was conducted ENTIRELY on the MEC.
(2) The negotiating committee went rogue. The MEC offered reasonable guidance to the NC and they went rogue. They independently came up with an untenable initial position. If this is what happened, then it was the responsibility of the MEC to reign in the NC and provide leadership and guidance. If this is how it was conducted ENTIRELY on the MEC.
Our union continues to engage in end fighting and finger pointing. Never have we needed strong steady professional leadership more. Two years later we continue to see a rotating door to our union. It is a rudderless ship that is lost in bickering and petulance towards one another. Obtaining/enforcing a contract is THE PINNACLE RESPONSIBILITY of our union leadership. THE MEC IS FAILING. Not every block is going to get everything they desire. The negotiating position of our union needs to be attainable.
Everyone sees this lack of leadership….the Company, The NMB, and the pilots here at FedEx. You want the pilots to be committed to unified in purpose behind the union? You’ve got to get your house in order first….the chaos we continue to see is thoroughly inconsistent with any leadership model people want to follow.
edit: great catch NotMrNiceGuy at bad math per CN email 25 July 23 it failed by 14%!!!
Another missing option from your list:
Or the NC 2.0 saw we had not estimated proper value to what NC 1.0 had estimated in TA1.0.
Is double really that a big of a deal when this company would institute 4a2 measures in financial tailwinds that has created pay uncertainty for our Airbus, 757, domestic lines?
NC 2.0 read the room right and understood who we are dealing with. It will take awhile for folks to come to grip with this new relationship. Many on the MSL do not have time for that relationship to take hold and I hope the gamble pays off switching to NC3.0. I do not see it being any quicker but who knows, we are only fed info to shape a certain narrative depending on the sender
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