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Old 10-04-2025 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by skypine27
Wrong. It failed 57%
Keep on reading. Reply and correction submitted.
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Old 10-04-2025 | 04:04 AM
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Bottom of the list losing more than the top almost now?
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Old 10-04-2025 | 06:06 AM
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Bottom of the list losing more than the top almost now?

It’s going to increase as United and Delta ramp up hiring. American is already poaching smart FedSux pilots who get educated and leave.

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Old 10-04-2025 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
It’s going to increase as United and Delta ramp up hiring. American is already poaching smart FedSux pilots who get educated and leave.

-Bubs
That is good from a contract negotiation perspective. Someday FedEx will need to hire and having a conveyor belt of bottom of the list attrition is expensive for them.
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Old 10-04-2025 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by airplanes
That is good from a contract negotiation perspective. Someday FedEx will need to hire and having a conveyor belt of bottom of the list attrition is expensive for them.
JD had “contingencies” when people were oozing from Atlas; and that was hire expats and pay their visas. I’m sure they’ll have no problem hiring the swill from some ACMI’s when they need drivers again. Hopefully no one with a clear resume and background remotely thinks about coming to this dump.
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Old 10-05-2025 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Grease
Not to be the math nerd in the room, but you would have only needed 355 to switch their votes for it to pass by 1.
Keep in mind that 400-500 yes votes have retired and there’s probably another net 400-500 net no voters who aren’t on probation anymore and can now vote…
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Old 10-05-2025 | 10:46 AM
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Keep in mind that the bottom of the list is waking up to losing path of the angry five.Waiting ten years is not a winning solution for anyone.
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Old 10-06-2025 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by max8222
Keep in mind that the bottom of the list is waking up to losing path of the angry five.Waiting ten years is not a winning solution for anyone.
True, but neither is caving just when we appear to be gaining leverage....not that you said that either.
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Old 10-06-2025 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318
True, but neither is caving just when we appear to be gaining leverage....not that you said that either.
Right but “leverage” is mostly an illusion when the company can just AVA or reassign flying to sidestep pressure. The longer we wait, the more they adapt and meanwhile, we’ve had more pilot suicides than any other airline. That alone should tell us waiting forever isn’t strength, it’s damage.
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Old 10-06-2025 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Hungover
Right but “leverage” is mostly an illusion when the company can just AVA or reassign flying to sidestep pressure. The longer we wait, the more they adapt and meanwhile, we’ve had more pilot suicides than any other airline. That alone should tell us waiting forever isn’t strength, it’s damage.
I agree we can't wait forever (I also understand hyperbole).

But I don't agree it's an illusion. The DRAFT is real and increasing. The cancellations are too. I've given up on this pilot group truly acting with any real unity, but EITHER more pilots are doing the right thing, OR the company's manipulation of SAM and massaging the schedule to hit 4A2FU #s is starting to crumble the operation.

Either way, leverage is increasing. The CO knows that. Hence the shadow negotiations that have been ongoing to get us to the most recent black Monday coup. What we do with that leverage is up to us.
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