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03-09-2026 | 10:16 PM
#71
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From: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
Whatever. I sympathize for your 401k that sat out the largest gain in market history. GOT SCOPE? I hope we can get some more stickers that vote down another TA so we can really stick it to the company. Wake up! They have a fixed cost for us such irreplaceable pilots. (See note: HUB to Truck during peak). SCOPE! STUDENT LINES. S/U
-Bubs
-Bubs
Based on some of you guys logic, we should just take whatever the company offers first because from the day it gets voted down we’re losing money.
03-10-2026 | 03:44 AM
#72
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Joined: Aug 2023
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Is that all you care about? TA2023 was trash and that’s why it got voted down. Let the 401K take its course but I’d vote NO again if this TA doesn’t meet my expectations. And as of what’ve been TA’d so far I’m already a NO voter. Pay, Retirement and Retro must be real good to change my mind.
Based on some of you guys logic, we should just take whatever the company offers first because from the day it gets voted down we’re losing money.
Based on some of you guys logic, we should just take whatever the company offers first because from the day it gets voted down we’re losing money.
03-10-2026 | 08:59 AM
#73
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you guys are both correct. It failed because of the terrible pay rates, back pay, and all the concessions. I was also heavily influenced to vote NO because of the unbelievably deaf sales pitch by all but one block rep and, of course, Pat and his NC. Where are the furloughs, guys? What you did to us is unconscionable.
Minus all the booms in the room, it was dead on arrival after that cheap talk. After his comments about the pension, and how we had a responsibility to take care of our retiring pilots… oh but just forget about your junior self, for the sake of these rich guys. Our esteemed block rep, FF, couldn’t wait to vote yes and sell us all out for his personal gain! Ha. Look how that worked out for you. Unbelievable!
03-10-2026 | 12:50 PM
#74
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Joined: Jan 2019
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I remember the awful, sunken feeling we had listening to PM and his gang of henchmen at the CGN roadshow desperately trying to sell us that junk. RB straight of lying about how ASL wasn’t growing in Europe, while it actually was— right in front of our eyes.
Minus all the booms in the room, it was dead on arrival after that cheap talk. After his comments about the pension, and how we had a responsibility to take care of our retiring pilots… oh but just forget about your junior self, for the sake of these rich guys. Our esteemed block rep, FF, couldn’t wait to vote yes and sell us all out for his personal gain! Ha. Look how that worked out for you. Unbelievable!
Minus all the booms in the room, it was dead on arrival after that cheap talk. After his comments about the pension, and how we had a responsibility to take care of our retiring pilots… oh but just forget about your junior self, for the sake of these rich guys. Our esteemed block rep, FF, couldn’t wait to vote yes and sell us all out for his personal gain! Ha. Look how that worked out for you. Unbelievable!
The company still operates now with even weaker scope language than the TA with current book and 2015 pay rates.
But hey "look how that worked out for you". HOLD!
03-10-2026 | 02:05 PM
#75
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Well TBH you and a bunch of others voted no with one foot out the door and we are now left holding the bag. We would have already started openers for the next deal.
The company still operates now with even weaker scope language than the TA with current book and 2015 pay rates.
But hey "look how that worked out for you". HOLD!
The company still operates now with even weaker scope language than the TA with current book and 2015 pay rates.
But hey "look how that worked out for you". HOLD!
Tell me where in the ALPA code of ethics it’s says to withhold a vote if you intend to leave? I’m pretty it says nothing of the fact.
I guess you could say the same about the WB guys exiting stage left with their unequivocal yes votes?
03-10-2026 | 02:24 PM
#76
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Joined: Dec 2012
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From: B767
Well TBH you and a bunch of others voted no with one foot out the door and we are now left holding the bag. We would have already started openers for the next deal.
The company still operates now with even weaker scope language than the TA with current book and 2015 pay rates.
But hey "look how that worked out for you". HOLD!
The company still operates now with even weaker scope language than the TA with current book and 2015 pay rates.
But hey "look how that worked out for you". HOLD!
03-10-2026 | 02:35 PM
#77
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Joined: Jan 2019
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We were on the MSL at the time the TA vote opened. We had every right to vote how we wanted. And it was an easy no.
Tell me where in the ALPA code of ethics it’s says to withhold a vote if you intend to leave? I’m pretty it says nothing of the fact.
I guess you could say the same about the WB guys exiting stage left with their unequivocal yes votes?
Tell me where in the ALPA code of ethics it’s says to withhold a vote if you intend to leave? I’m pretty it says nothing of the fact.
I guess you could say the same about the WB guys exiting stage left with their unequivocal yes votes?
03-10-2026 | 02:47 PM
#79
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From: P-3C
The snow job we got about furloughs and best deal. Then we owe it to the retirees? Yeah. That was the union selling it.
My RAGE comes from how the 5 wasted years have unfolded. The company making billions and the pilot group having lost millions. We’ll never recover that. We could vote NO for 20 years. It’s gone. And we keep losing. That’s my point. No TA means we continue to lose.
For the NEVER TA ALREADY A NO crowd. You’re ignoring any total package achieved. Pay and Retirement will pass the TA. 2 more years of 2015 Pay Rates is going to be a sledgehammer to the scrotum.
-Bubs
My RAGE comes from how the 5 wasted years have unfolded. The company making billions and the pilot group having lost millions. We’ll never recover that. We could vote NO for 20 years. It’s gone. And we keep losing. That’s my point. No TA means we continue to lose.
For the NEVER TA ALREADY A NO crowd. You’re ignoring any total package achieved. Pay and Retirement will pass the TA. 2 more years of 2015 Pay Rates is going to be a sledgehammer to the scrotum.
-Bubs
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