So 'just really that dense' is your answer...got it.

Ignored? No.
Read what you had to say ("Nothing to see here, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!") and not convinced? Yep.

Which part of we've lost faith in BOTH "sides" of this union do you not get? 5 years of negotiating with this company who 'values our contributions', gives 'thanks for saving the world', gives 'thanks for all you do', etc. while expecting us to work at a 30%+ discount, abusing the outdated RLA, and cooking the books to force 4A2B/C while drafting/extending/revising without constraint. A TA so lacking even a busted union (loose collection of ICs) voted it down fairly decisively. At least 3 coups or regime changes in the MEC/NC. All while our real enemy barely disguises it's derision at our disfunction.

So I'll repeat, this time without the name calling that seems to offend you:
What you and others really don't seem to get is that the more you deflect and tell us the names don't matter, the less trust we have in the system. Which is too bad, because FWIW I like the FACT team idea, and like the presumably-unbiased and lack of used-car-salesman sales-pitches format.

 

Well thank goodness TC is still trying to prolong this process even in retirement. I can't think of a single person who has cost me more money in my career. Between him and the "brain trust" with a free chatGPT subscription, who needs any facts or "FACTS".

 

I hope people see that this is a coordinated NEVER TA attack thats being implemented by the wounded feelings of yesterday's Fedex ALPA legends.

Its time to turn the page on TA2021 and TA2023 and say enough is enough. Unless you want another MEC coup that turns into a NC meltdown, more RECALLS and then ULTIMATELY the NEW MEC AND NC that promises to beat Delta Rates, Lay flat 1st class seats for any leg over 1 hour, Hot meal catering on every segment AND flight attendants to serve the thermos ROAR!

WAKE UP CALL IN THE SLEEP ROOM!!!! There isn't even a TA to discuss and the WAR DRUMS are beating. Why would that be? Cause our pilot group is fooked. Vote for the TA that represents you AND remember the close to $150,000 you're never going to get back by letting this drag on for FIVE YEARS!!!! Make it STOP.

-Bubs

 

Two years ago, today, was the infamous "proffer of arbitration".

"We're gonna get in and get out!"

 

These concessions they/you now call "FACTS" will bring us no closer to a deal. Bro you keep running your mouth without acknowledging how we got here. Concessions aren't ok when you need to spend another 20+ years here. I wish you retirement on contract 2015 for such a ridiculously selfish stance. Refer to my previous post where I said to grow a pair. It's still relevant.

 

You mean where people with self respect rejected the most one sided deal in airline history? Was a great day! And it's funny watching people like you pine over the fallout from the stupid sht that PM and his chums put in front of us. Get bent.

 

BirdEater ur a drama queen. TA23 barely failed. And that deal hardly changed the majority of the existing contract. So, knowing the contract was the 2015 existing contract when you came to FedEx. AND you must have been 100% OK with that one sided deal that you assumed was "hitting the lottery" by coming to FedEx.

You continue to miss my point and to understand there are NO CONCESSIONS to things you NEVER HAD in the first place. You're one of these guys saying HOLIDAY PAY, PROFIT SHARING, 19% 401K why not? DELTA HAS IT!!! We're not getting these! its a concession!!! WE NEVER had these things. If there was a time to improve things it was May 2021. Oh, Bubs is rolling over. He wont fight. Fight what? Its been 5 years and we've been chasing our tails seeing as the company has a fixed cost for the greedy pilots.

And again, BirdMan, the TA isn't even done. Ive seen guys making Pro's and Con's lists (theyre all NEVER TA Council 22 bobbleheads BTW) and they've got it dead to rights that this TA is DOA. Except 1/2 things they're against were TA'd by the savior and almighty profit JG. Who had 2 years to bring the TA to the promised land but he got ICED. Thanks for 0.0.

Wake up BirdMan! Yeah, this TA isn't going to solve everything but that ship sailed 5 years ago. I come to work for money. And right now 5 years on 2015 pay rates is kicking me in the nether region. Sorry to bring you to the reality of Earth 1.

-Bubs

 

I'll try to say this gently so I don't upset such a delicate flower.

You obviously didn't read what I said because I didn't say any of the things you suggested. I asked if there had been any bad information put out yet and whether or not you tried to get a meeting with a fact team member. The "fact" that you won't answer proves that you just want to stir the pot.

You say that you don't care who is on other committees. So, you don't care who is setting our strategic goals and policies if we are ever released to self help? You don't care who is on the P2P team who is responsible for providing the crew force with information and one of the committees that was used to build the fact team? Go ahead and throw a tantrum and continue to try to divide this crew force. It seems like you might be a company plant trying to get a few more years out of contract 2015.

 

What concessions? The only concessions that have been published were negotiated by JG and supported by the TC4. You probably don't see them as concessions, because you are happy to sell back 60% of your vacation. Maybe you are unhappy that the union has to agree to raise it to 100% vacation buy back.

 

Currently you can sell back 100% of your vacation…..so the jump from 60% at end of year to 100% is not a hill worth worrying about. Plenty of people have done it since the 2015 contract was signed . It is not hard to do - you just have to invest more time then the automatic end of the year buyback.