FedEx Hiring
04-20-2017, 05:13 AM
#2441
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Posts: 100
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
The only fly in the ointment is the guys stuck on the NB aircraft while we hire, month after month into every WB aircraft on the property. Those NB FOs cannot exercise their seniority and benefit from these same pay rates new hires are getting simply by making it to their one year anniversary. Apparently this situation is completely acceptable since the silence from ALPA is deafening. 
When I bid 767 FO on Bid 15-01...my training was scheduled 2+ years into the future. Meanwhile, I watched new hires every month be trained. If I had bid any other WB other than the 767, I would have been receiving Passover Pay but, because I "bid what I wanted to fly", no Passover for you.
So, on bid 16-01, I bid 757 Capt. My training is again scheduled 2+ years into the future (was recently pushed almost a year to the right). Why? This time it is because of limits in training capacity...they have to use 757 simulators to accomplish 767 training because...well you know that story.
I know there are growing pains when you bring on a new aircraft (767). But there is a group of 757 FOs who are bearing the brunt of this. Our training has, and continues to be, delayed to accommodate both new hires and 767 training requirements. They need us in the right seat of the 757...I get that. But at least you could be paying us the Passover Pay we are owed. Not paying Passover Pay, simply because we bid to the right seat of the 767 instead of any other WB, is just wrong.
P.S.
As Albie said, 20% (or more) of our bidpack has disappeared and gone to the 767. Good news for 767 guys...the company needs more of them and they will all be on WB pay...flying 757 lines. Not so great for us stuck on the 757.
04-20-2017, 05:47 AM
#2442
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by mempurpleflyer
Exactly! I am one of those guys. I have been trying to bid out of the right seat of the 757 since Bid 15-01.
When I bid 767 FO on Bid 15-01...my training was scheduled 2+ years into the future. Meanwhile, I watched new hires every month be trained. If I had bid any other WB other than the 767, I would have been receiving Passover Pay but, because I "bid what I wanted to fly", no Passover for you.
So, on bid 16-01, I bid 757 Capt. My training is again scheduled 2+ years into the future (was recently pushed almost a year to the right). Why? This time it is because of limits in training capacity...they have to use 757 simulators to accomplish 767 training because...well you know that story.
I know there are growing pains when you bring on a new aircraft (767). But there is a group of 757 FOs who are bearing the brunt of this. Our training has, and continues to be, delayed to accommodate both new hires and 767 training requirements. They need us in the right seat of the 757...I get that. But at least you could be paying us the Passover Pay we are owed. Not paying Passover Pay, simply because we bid to the right seat of the 767 instead of any other WB, is just wrong.
P.S.
As Albie said, 20% (or more) of our bidpack has disappeared and gone to the 767. Good news for 767 guys...the company needs more of them and they will all be on WB pay...flying 757 lines. Not so great for us stuck on the 757.
When I bid 767 FO on Bid 15-01...my training was scheduled 2+ years into the future. Meanwhile, I watched new hires every month be trained. If I had bid any other WB other than the 767, I would have been receiving Passover Pay but, because I "bid what I wanted to fly", no Passover for you.
So, on bid 16-01, I bid 757 Capt. My training is again scheduled 2+ years into the future (was recently pushed almost a year to the right). Why? This time it is because of limits in training capacity...they have to use 757 simulators to accomplish 767 training because...well you know that story.
I know there are growing pains when you bring on a new aircraft (767). But there is a group of 757 FOs who are bearing the brunt of this. Our training has, and continues to be, delayed to accommodate both new hires and 767 training requirements. They need us in the right seat of the 757...I get that. But at least you could be paying us the Passover Pay we are owed. Not paying Passover Pay, simply because we bid to the right seat of the 767 instead of any other WB, is just wrong.
P.S.
As Albie said, 20% (or more) of our bidpack has disappeared and gone to the 767. Good news for 767 guys...the company needs more of them and they will all be on WB pay...flying 757 lines. Not so great for us stuck on the 757.
04-20-2017, 12:15 PM
#2443
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 2,418
Originally Posted by Nightflyer
Of course, if those guys were say, over 60, but under 65, the union and company would agree that the "right thing to do" would be to have excess bids for all wide body FO seats to allow their "special friends" the chance to "exercise their seniority", because it was the "right thing to do".
But no, since it involves junior guys, the FDX MEC says "F them".
Hey FDX MEC, you represent ALL the pilots on the seniority list, now ACT LIKE IT AND FIX THIS!!!
But no, since it involves junior guys, the FDX MEC says "F them".
Hey FDX MEC, you represent ALL the pilots on the seniority list, now ACT LIKE IT AND FIX THIS!!!
When Congress first wrote Age 65, there was no consideration of pilots over 60 still on 121 Seniority lists because the vast majority had been forced to retire when the pax airlines furloughed thousands and retired their old aircraft.
Had our Union not lobbied on addressing that issue, we would've been sued for failing to represent the age 60+ folks still on property plumbing, as well as those hoping for a rapid change.
Company controls the bids. Company elected to cancel a bid.
Wish they hadn't.
But there's never been a Union Stamp of approval on any bid.
Never even head of any coordination between management and our Union over the proper staffing of any seat. Never a, well, we think you need to fill more Secondaries management.
04-20-2017, 04:53 PM
#2445
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Position: B-767 FO
Posts: 554
Originally Posted by Littleforrest9
Hey all, just curious what experience are guys and gals getting hired with now? Thanks!
10,000 TT
5,000 TPIC
Bachelor's
Master's
04-20-2017, 06:42 PM
#2446
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
Posts: 1,162
Originally Posted by kronan
You are confusing Union and Company actions.
When Congress first wrote Age 65, there was no consideration of pilots over 60 still on 121 Seniority lists because the vast majority had been forced to retire when the pax airlines furloughed thousands and retired their old aircraft.
Had our Union not lobbied on addressing that issue, we would've been sued for failing to represent the age 60+ folks still on property plumbing, as well as those hoping for a rapid change.
Company controls the bids. Company elected to cancel a bid.
Wish they hadn't.
But there's never been a Union Stamp of approval on any bid.
Never even head of any coordination between management and our Union over the proper staffing of any seat. Never a, well, we think you need to fill more Secondaries management.
When Congress first wrote Age 65, there was no consideration of pilots over 60 still on 121 Seniority lists because the vast majority had been forced to retire when the pax airlines furloughed thousands and retired their old aircraft.
Had our Union not lobbied on addressing that issue, we would've been sued for failing to represent the age 60+ folks still on property plumbing, as well as those hoping for a rapid change.
Company controls the bids. Company elected to cancel a bid.
Wish they hadn't.
But there's never been a Union Stamp of approval on any bid.
Never even head of any coordination between management and our Union over the proper staffing of any seat. Never a, well, we think you need to fill more Secondaries management.
I think by your Union agreeing to in your last contract to sell back sick time and the one year retirement notice, in addition to the increase in first yrs FDA pay pretty much help the company staffing or various seats don't you think?
04-21-2017, 02:43 AM
#2447
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Position: Crewmember
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The union nodded and winked then, just like they are now.
There were no seats to go back to for age 65, it required an excess bid to get them where the union and the company wanted them to go. If they had not done any excess bids, and had just done "normal" bids, that would have been more fair. The "bump and flush" was definitely not fair.
Right now, every 757 FO on the property is being denied the right to bid for wide body seats. Meanwhile, the company fills those same seats with new hires. What happened to the union's strong defense of the seniority system? The union should fight this tooth and nail. Every 757 FO should be getting passover pay even if one new hire is given a wide body right seat.
If the Union doesn't fix this, and immediately, the 757 FO's should be able to sue the union for failure to represent.
ALPA talks a good game, but doesn't always deliver.
There were no seats to go back to for age 65, it required an excess bid to get them where the union and the company wanted them to go. If they had not done any excess bids, and had just done "normal" bids, that would have been more fair. The "bump and flush" was definitely not fair.
Right now, every 757 FO on the property is being denied the right to bid for wide body seats. Meanwhile, the company fills those same seats with new hires. What happened to the union's strong defense of the seniority system? The union should fight this tooth and nail. Every 757 FO should be getting passover pay even if one new hire is given a wide body right seat.
If the Union doesn't fix this, and immediately, the 757 FO's should be able to sue the union for failure to represent.
ALPA talks a good game, but doesn't always deliver.
04-21-2017, 06:02 AM
#2448
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Posts: 2,889
There is a grievance...I believe its 15-12. I'm not sure of the status. I'm looked at the grievance page but didn't see any decisions yet.
For those locked back in their seats without a training date, its got to be frustrating. Hopefully there will be some checks coming your way. FWIW, I got passover for the HKG domicile with FEPP. I didn't get it right away, but when it did start it was retroactive to the effective date. Hope we see similar results for all 757 folks waiting for upgrade training. If that does come through, it is going to be a lot of money that is due.
My understanding is that is why the 5% on the signing bonus is still in flux. Its going to change the math a bit when that does get settled. Probably a good question for a hub turn meeting or someone to ask CW (grievance chair).
I'm not here to defend the company or ALPA with this statement, just pointing out that there are times the company can sort of do what they want. Moving flights from one bidpack to the other (ANC/LAX/MEM) etc and sliding training around is still in their span of control. There are a lot of reasons not to upgrade at 100% at this company, and certainly understand wanting to be able to control your schedule, not have to bid reserve or VTO, etc. etc. At the same time, the music stops here with enough frequency that I think if you want to move somewhere, you might want to consider going at your first shot. Part of the reason I chose to go to Hong Kong as a very junior captain was I knew the 767 was the growing fleet here, and after being on 2 shrinking fleets (MD-11 and 727) Your upgrade might be delayed a year or two, and that can be a lot of lost money. I thought I'd have more options diving on the first training I could get and THEN worrying about bidding back to MEM, IND, or whatever if we decided to move. If you wait around sometimes here the company changes their mind enough to create havoc (cnx Paris bid, excess bids, moving 757 dates out a YEAR...) It seems generally if there is money due to the affected pilot they eventually do get it, but its a long, delayed, frustrating process. I hope this gets fixed, and I understand the value of seniority. With the new bid process which will (eventually?) take place pilots can exert a bit more control, but the company will again be able to set the dates as they see fit...we'll just get to bid on which date we want. I don't think you will ever have the ability to "force" the company to train you before they want more pilots in that respective seat, or if they want to preserve their supply of pilots in the seat you currently hold. Forcing them to pay you, however, with the slot denial pay should make that an uncommon event.
However, if we are just venting around the fire, I will say getting "inversed" to a secondary line is a pain I could do without. Got nailed in April, and prolly gonna happen a bit more over the summer based our manning.
For those locked back in their seats without a training date, its got to be frustrating. Hopefully there will be some checks coming your way. FWIW, I got passover for the HKG domicile with FEPP. I didn't get it right away, but when it did start it was retroactive to the effective date. Hope we see similar results for all 757 folks waiting for upgrade training. If that does come through, it is going to be a lot of money that is due.
My understanding is that is why the 5% on the signing bonus is still in flux. Its going to change the math a bit when that does get settled. Probably a good question for a hub turn meeting or someone to ask CW (grievance chair).
I'm not here to defend the company or ALPA with this statement, just pointing out that there are times the company can sort of do what they want. Moving flights from one bidpack to the other (ANC/LAX/MEM) etc and sliding training around is still in their span of control. There are a lot of reasons not to upgrade at 100% at this company, and certainly understand wanting to be able to control your schedule, not have to bid reserve or VTO, etc. etc. At the same time, the music stops here with enough frequency that I think if you want to move somewhere, you might want to consider going at your first shot. Part of the reason I chose to go to Hong Kong as a very junior captain was I knew the 767 was the growing fleet here, and after being on 2 shrinking fleets (MD-11 and 727) Your upgrade might be delayed a year or two, and that can be a lot of lost money. I thought I'd have more options diving on the first training I could get and THEN worrying about bidding back to MEM, IND, or whatever if we decided to move. If you wait around sometimes here the company changes their mind enough to create havoc (cnx Paris bid, excess bids, moving 757 dates out a YEAR...) It seems generally if there is money due to the affected pilot they eventually do get it, but its a long, delayed, frustrating process. I hope this gets fixed, and I understand the value of seniority. With the new bid process which will (eventually?) take place pilots can exert a bit more control, but the company will again be able to set the dates as they see fit...we'll just get to bid on which date we want. I don't think you will ever have the ability to "force" the company to train you before they want more pilots in that respective seat, or if they want to preserve their supply of pilots in the seat you currently hold. Forcing them to pay you, however, with the slot denial pay should make that an uncommon event.
However, if we are just venting around the fire, I will say getting "inversed" to a secondary line is a pain I could do without. Got nailed in April, and prolly gonna happen a bit more over the summer based our manning.
04-21-2017, 11:50 AM
#2449
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 279
Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
I'm probably a little on the high side, but all Civilian 121:
10,000 TT
5,000 TPIC
Bachelor's
Master's
10,000 TT
5,000 TPIC
Bachelor's
Master's
04-21-2017, 12:24 PM
#2450
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Posts: 751
Originally Posted by gatorhater
This civilian had 7600 tt, 3500 tpic, bachelor from state school. I'd say the 5 other civis that interviewed were similar, if not less.
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Bachelors from State school
Masters
Good grades throughout
7600 TT
1100 PIC
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