There is a grievance...I believe its 15-12. I'm not sure of the status. I'm looked at the grievance page but didn't see any decisions yet.

For those locked back in their seats without a training date, its got to be frustrating. Hopefully there will be some checks coming your way. FWIW, I got passover for the HKG domicile with FEPP. I didn't get it right away, but when it did start it was retroactive to the effective date. Hope we see similar results for all 757 folks waiting for upgrade training. If that does come through, it is going to be a lot of money that is due.

My understanding is that is why the 5% on the signing bonus is still in flux. Its going to change the math a bit when that does get settled. Probably a good question for a hub turn meeting or someone to ask CW (grievance chair).

I'm not here to defend the company or ALPA with this statement, just pointing out that there are times the company can sort of do what they want. Moving flights from one bidpack to the other (ANC/LAX/MEM) etc and sliding training around is still in their span of control. There are a lot of reasons not to upgrade at 100% at this company, and certainly understand wanting to be able to control your schedule, not have to bid reserve or VTO, etc. etc. At the same time, the music stops here with enough frequency that I think if you want to move somewhere, you might want to consider going at your first shot. Part of the reason I chose to go to Hong Kong as a very junior captain was I knew the 767 was the growing fleet here, and after being on 2 shrinking fleets (MD-11 and 727) Your upgrade might be delayed a year or two, and that can be a lot of lost money. I thought I'd have more options diving on the first training I could get and THEN worrying about bidding back to MEM, IND, or whatever if we decided to move. If you wait around sometimes here the company changes their mind enough to create havoc (cnx Paris bid, excess bids, moving 757 dates out a YEAR...) It seems generally if there is money due to the affected pilot they eventually do get it, but its a long, delayed, frustrating process. I hope this gets fixed, and I understand the value of seniority. With the new bid process which will (eventually?) take place pilots can exert a bit more control, but the company will again be able to set the dates as they see fit...we'll just get to bid on which date we want. I don't think you will ever have the ability to "force" the company to train you before they want more pilots in that respective seat, or if they want to preserve their supply of pilots in the seat you currently hold. Forcing them to pay you, however, with the slot denial pay should make that an uncommon event.

However, if we are just venting around the fire, I will say getting "inversed" to a secondary line is a pain I could do without. Got nailed in April, and prolly gonna happen a bit more over the summer based our manning.

 

This civilian had 7600 tt, 3500 tpic, bachelor from state school. I'd say the 5 other civis that interviewed were similar, if not less.

 

Similar...
Bachelors from State school
Masters
Good grades throughout
7600 TT
1100 PIC
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This, while I agree with you 100%, will never go anywhere. There is already established precedent with the nuggets. They were allowed to come and train into ANC while a bunch of senior guys sat on the back of the 10 and 727 WITH TRAINING DATES. We just got slid out farther and farther for 11 training. Personally, I slide 11 months waiting for my 11 training while all the new hires trained into the 11 at ANC. It's a different training program. Fought and lost.

Since they were not training before you off the same bid or a later bid, passover does not apply. Maybe if the union takes the stand that you are being denied a chance to bid for that seat, you might have a chance. But we seem to lose all these.

 

All this but the last contract passed 😏

 

While it would be wonderful if the company would simply hand hiring\training over to our Union---just not going to happen.

It is very hard for me to imagine any arbitrator supporting the companies contention that Passover Pay isn't applicable to a 57 FO awaiting 67 training because it's simply a topoff training. Even harder for me to figure out why mgt is complicating the consolidation training when they could have the newhires simply be 57 FOs and topoff current 57 FOs w/ the 67 stamp.

That being said,
it is my understanding that the authority to hire additional pilots results in a bid. In the case of our current hiring that bid was 16-01, last April which showed a shortfall of 396 FOs.
So, pretty much every FO on property had the opportunity to bid to be MD11 FOs, Airbus FOs, 67 FOs, 777 FOs. And for pretty much every FO except for 57 FOs awaiting 67 FO training, passover pay is being paid.

Things that don't trigger passover Pay.
Holding a 67 Capt seat in Memphis when someone Junior to you activates in Indy.
Holding a MD11 FO seat in Memphis when someone Junior to you activates in Anchorage (or LA)

 

Got a question- Pilot Credentials "references" section says, in bold, "Only FedEx references should be listed below". Is it acceptable to list a retired FedEx pilot, and if so, how is this reflected? The application asks for an employee number and has a drop down for employer, "retired" is not an option.

Thanks in advance to all you experienced folks who peruse these threads and pass your nuggets of info and insight down to us newbies and wannabes.

 

Hey Guys,

Got the interview invite his morning, super psyched, can't wat..... Already enrolled in ECIC and got every reference book out in my library.

Can you recommend a test prep location to make sure my brain is on speed for the test.

Thanks

 

RST (Ready Set Takeoff) covers all of the Day 1 Computer Based Testing:

Cognitive Test
Personality Test
Job Knowledge Test

 

It must work. The owner was fired.






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