Sounds like a lot of passover if you are a 75 FO who wasnt awarded A300 FO on the last posting.

No passover unless you were awarded A300 F/O on the last posting and the new hire activates before you. I am assuming that there was an unfilled slot for the new hire on the last posting.

All the slots for A300 FO on the last bid were secondaries. So who knows if there were any unfilled.

I think the relevant point is if you bid A300 FO in the last bid but didn't get it via primary or secondary award there will be passover. When a new hire activates you should receive it.

There must have been a slot even if the company claims there wasn't one. How can you hire if there are no slots available? You can't. Every seat they go to counts as a vacancy in the bid before their hire.

This is why they typically post a bid before the new hires start class. It limits passover by generating a new set of slots.

I predict a bid very soon but who knows.

That is not possible, no new hires into a seat that does not have an unfilled vacancy. Thus, there were zero pilots that bid A300 FO that did not get that seat after the last system bid. The Company calculates the total number of seats unfilled and has the option to hire to fill those seats or award them on a later bid to seniority list pilots. Bottom line, the only seat(s) a new hire can take is one that no one wanted after the most recent system bid, per the CBA.

No passover for the new hires to A300 FO MEM.

It is possible that no 757 FO's bid A300 in the last bid. This would negate passover for 757 FOs who were on the property for the last bid.

I'm not sure how this is going to work for any newhires that arrived between the last bid and this month. Do we have any? If so, did the company offer everyone in their "new hire class" a widebody seat before they took 757 FO?


What exactly do mean by not possible? That the company made the mistake of not posting a bid before hiring into a seat? That new hires got the seats they reported got?

Or are you just parroting a manager's personal interpretation of the CBA?

no birds in sight. 24.C.3.b

Company can only hire "unfilled" seats from a bid, there were a handful of A300 secondary seats not bid by pilots on the seniority list, all other open seats are B757/767 MEM,CGN and HKG. Once they fill those no new hires until a new bid is run and results once again in unfilled seats. That is one reason big bids were preferred by FDX because it made seats available for new hires in places like ANC and straight into the 777, do not see that happening anytime soon as anyone pushed down will fill seats on new bids. Would have to have a huge bid to open seats in the WB besides HKG ever again.

So, you are assuming the company is following the contract - what a novel concept! :rolleyes:

If fleets continue to shrink then odds are within 2 years those new hires will get to learn the 757 after being excessed. Weird to watch the impact of a fleet with fewer types...each jet gets more and more senior (not less) with each passing bid. How many guys have been excessed off the -11 and 777 the last few years? Its their company to run as they see fit, but barring a huge retirement surge it seems bottom 10% on any fleet is just A reserve and excess bids to training. My goal has been 11 ANC Captain for some time...I've gone from about 300 numbers out to over 800. I see guys who were on the 777 five years ago that cannot hold it now. At least with one big training building you learn your way around for your next training cycle. Maybe a new contract and some additional retirements will change things, but with the 300s and -10s earmarked for major reductions (20-30%) on fleet plans I don't see anyone moving up a whole lot in relative seniority for a while.

I think in the next 20 years we will whittle down our pilot group to the same size as UPS. When I say this in the airplane people look at my like I am nuts. If we keep up the trend I think it will happen.