Gas,

Again, it's been awhile, but I seem to remember being able to cancel trip make-up requests and trip trade requests after I realized that I didn't really want what I submitted.

 

You can,
go to bid line adjustments
trip trade inquiry
and as long it isn't being processed or already processed, you can cancel the request.

 

I think open time should be processed in seniority order.

 

Oops. My bad. Bad example.

 

kronan, it's not about being right or wrong on this issue, it's about what system gives you (all of us) a better QOL.

I'd be willing to bet a large sum that ANY pilot here who has been at an airline with true RTTT, prefers it to what we have with OTP. Believe me, RTTT would've paid off beyond anything OTP ever could have, during all your years here. I'm a bit baffled at the lengths you go to describe our system as being superior or the only one that could work with our equipment swaps (it's not), when you don't have experience with RTTT. Experience is key when you're comparing and defending the different strengths/weaknesses of systems (to me, it's as if one were defending the eGrid as the best IT solution, without ever experiencing a different login method - not exaggerating). And remember, you can protect OTP during the CIC and view/add window and have both RTTT and OTP.

We could definitely use some "Scheduling education" videos from ALPA if we want to address the possibility of opening and improving Section 25 with the company.

 

Right...you can cancel. I was just pointing out that if you do cancel you have definitely given up on that trip and because there are now 5 or more showing in the queue for the better trip you have no idea where you are. So do you roll the dice and chance losing the first to make the second better trip a higher priority? RTTT would solve all of this.

 

Let's see,

gasnhaul-w/ a RTTT you'd never know there was a better trip so there'd be no need to modify your JS plans.
And, if you're in a high demand\limited JS city, probably better to know whether the JS is open prior to extending your stay. There are cities where the competition for JS's is fierce

I could certainly be mistaken, but I don't think there's a way to utilize OTP during the CIC window. As best I understand it, you can only enter requests if you have a Carry in Conflict due to a carryover conflict or a conflict with training. (MUV can also be a player if you meet the wickets.)

Gasnhaul-
Hypothetically, let's assume your Seniority has improved and you're able to hold DH trips to\from your home. As we all know, most of the Memphis hub turn trips have early Monday AM departures, but there's the occasional Sunday afternoon departure. And even the occasional Sunday afternoon departure to a Tuesday morning operational flight. (Probably not a player for you if you reside in a highly competitive JS locale)
A few days prior to your sweet DH, company changes equipment on you. As our system currently exists, you can stay eligible for SUB, you can decline SUB outright (or wait for a SUB trip to be assigned and then decline it), or you can choose OTP.
If you choose OTP, you are pay protected for the remainder of the bid period plus an additional 3 periods. (Time that we've negotiated to extend, twice. OTP used to be remainder +1). And, you have a Trump card to win the Dreaded Earlier Time Stamp lottery.
If you stay eligible for SUB, choice is commute into Memphis and hope to get used or stay home and hope to not get used. In either situation, during the 8 hours surrounding your original show you are on reserve and obligated to answer your phone. If you lose the SUB lottery, then you have to scramble to replace those hours in your current month or accept the reduction in your next months paycheck. (Which shouldn't be a big deal, if it is, no time like the present to start building a rainy day fund)

Oh, and if you choose OTP you get paid 125%. The schedulers benefit because they don't have to spend time calling you for a SUB trip only to have you decline it.

I think there are benefits to our current system that go away with a true RTTT system. I don't think there'd be a sudden increase of Open Time trips if we adopted a RTTT system. And, since I'm not spending every minute of every day constantly refreshing open time (and never have) still don't quite see how RTTT improves my life other than eliminating the occasional man I wish I'd seen that open trip earlier disappointment.

But again, happy to support my peers if that's what we want to negotiate for. I just tend to think it might have unanticipated consequences.

 

Yes, you're mistaken. Trips that are knocked into the Open Time pot during CIC for vacation, training, min days off, and any other type of conflict, can be picked up with PMU/OTP during the view/add window, and paid at 125%. I've seen it done at an airline with RTTT, it works extremely well. Not only that, the Open Time pot created after CIC, could also be used during the view/add window for trading, in seniority order (after PMU/OTP). We would have a new view/add/swap window instead.


That is uninformed speculation from someone who clearly does not understand RTTT. Open Time would become a major part of our QOL scheduling improvement tools, which would create much more movement in and out of Open Time, much more involvement, and therefore, an increase in trips that come into and out of Open Time. Again, I've seen it and lived it, I'm not speculating.

Yes, it's what the majority of your peers wanted to negotiate for, overwhelmingly. That's why it was a Section 6 Opener. The NC took it upon themselves to not pursue it.

 

But, I thought my NC spoke for me?

 

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Personally ... I'd like to take the 2 - 12 hour delay out of getting my "Disapproved, earlier time stamp" notification?