Simple Jack

PMU--I need an MEM11F or MEM11C who has PMU that is in the grace month. This is the last month that you have to make up the hours. You can tell this by your monthly pay summary that has a PMU decrement and reference the bank balances in the OTP at the bottom left.

Thank you,
SJ

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Rambler

Does anyone know for certain if the general/pmu make-up submission is processed a nano second before a trip trading request? Also, are the general make-up submissions approved in time stamp order. I asked this because what if the loop hole that the Fudge Packers are using is that on the first night of trip trading they: 1) start dropping their trips and 2) they select make-up for EVERY day of the month with filters such as; (Intl only, Min trip 4 days, Max trip 14 days, No late call, etc). The rest of us are pecking away at open time and the packers just hang out and do nothing because they submitted their make-up request on the very first night and have an earlier time stamp than most if not everyone. If a sweet trip pops into open time, as soon as the company trading program (TradeScrew ver 1.0) starts to process requests it looks all the way back to the first make-up submission date and gives it to that crew member. If you call up scheduling the Packers who are awarded the time trip always have the exact time stamp of your trip trading request. Lastly, we are all aware of the PMU rinse/repeat method, but some of these guys have been dropping their entire line and then flying an entire month of sweet trips with nothing being sub'd so PMU may not be the tool they are using. Food For thought.

Simple Jack

Rambler. That is exactly right! Closing in on the oversight now. Thank you for your post.
Jack

Simple Jack

Without name calling and any emotion. We should Identity the issue and address it and leave the other stuff for the crew bus. My entry model for this had the same commonality. International, DDH, 5 Day Minimum. These parameters eliminated a majority of the bid pack flying that hit open time. Therefore, we focused on the majority of the trips involved were indeed charters. I eliminated the charter commonality within the past month, do to some trips that had no flying at all built in, and your aforementioned hypothesis is what I have focused on in the past week. I was able to solicit a willing participant, with PMU, to sanitize his or her schedule for a day to include the day before and the day after in order to eliminate any FAR violations or contractual language that would in turn, muddy the water a little if when my test subject "A" (pilot with PMU) entered a PMU general makeup request with very basic parameters would receive a notification that he/she has been awarded a makeup trip reference number...yada yada. You get the picture. And if he or she had not sanitized their schedule, if a 8 in 24 or a 1 in 7 was indeed a player, we would never know due to the fact that the computer would just pass them by and not award the trip without any notifications.

Here is where I am.

Need a pilot, with PMU in the grace month, to pick a day, sanitize his/her schedule one day before and one day after, and then enter a general PMU makeup request that would cover just about anything that hits open time. Avoid standbys because you won't be able to get rid of them if you don't want to fly. The next step is to just wait til something hits open time within the parameters entered. My hypothesis is that the trip will instantaneously (nano second) recognize the PMU pilot, award a time stamp, freeze (fz) the trip, until he or she gets back from chucky cheese and pottery barn and get to a computer to check the web, and notice that he as a crew notification. Now, the rest of the crew force has no idea that he/or she has the pmu in. Once the crew member takes the notification that they have been awarded a makeup trip, the trip will be unfrozen, all other requests will be accepted in the computer, and within a few minutes, those folks would start receiving "disapproved, earlier time stamp". And Mr Chucky Cheese has his trip. Not much effort on his/or her part. Ok, take it and run folks.

Rambler

I am pretty sure the Trip freeze is only done by scheduling for a whole bunch of reasons. There are many awarded trips with pending hotel/transpo and that is not the reason for a trip being frozen then unfrozen. Unfreezing of a trip may be as simple as every required department acknowledging within the company that the trip exists and they are working on it. Once the trip is unfrozen, then the trip is processed for trading. I haven't used the make-up section in a long time, but when I used it, all I received was a crew notification that my make- up request was approved and then I found out what I was actually going to fly. I have also had a scheduler call me to see if I wanted to accept a trip that was close to what I entered, but one of the filters stopped it. So that is why I am thinking that schedulers may look at the make-up requests before they start hitting enter to process the normal trip trades. Again, its been over 2 years since I have used the general make-up, but I am going to start using it.

Simple Jack

Thanks, I have a long way to go with all this. Thanks for the info. Jack

busdriver12

I'm curious, SJ. Do you think this method only works in the grace month, and not in the first month?

Simple Jack

Bus, we had a PMU pilot and diligently put in the parameters. Several trips came and went without the freeze. This was at 7am this morning. Three trips came and went. We changed the date to completely sanitize his schedule. Same result. Now, trying to apply the grace month with new PMU candidates with PMU in grace. When we get a few hits, I will brief you guys up on the results. I am happy to say, we have some great folks here with other theories and we are all on the same team. Who ever figures this out has a great dinner and drink on me. Everyone share your thoughts. We are not gonna put this to bed this time. Take it to completion!!! without exception.

busdriver12

SJ, when you get a chance, consider clearing some of your messages. The system won't allow any more PM's for you.

Simple Jack

Alright I've done it