Let's call it notification within a reasonable amount of time.

Definition of reasonable?
Not sure for you Kronan.
For the rest of the crew force?:

Real time kind of defines itself.
Timely.
Without unnecessary delay.
How about within 15 minutes?
Or less.

 

Good luck gents. The frustration I had with my own inability to pick up charters after something happened in Fall 2012 is small part of why I bid to an FDA. The MD had the most interesting bidpack and most diverse flying, and even of you were junior every 2-4 months you might get lucky and get an intersting trip somewhere. I got to see Israel, Ireland, Azerbaijan, and a few other neat spots along the way and it was fun. I also thought it kept me motivated and in the books. Then one day...poof....never could get another. I went 1/10 prior, but even at those odds you would win now and and then. Then one day....nothing...time after time after time. I eventually quit even trying.

Ironically...I am now a few hours from doing a 76 charter into another country where I have never been, and I am looking forward to it. Like many charters, it had a healthy bank which let me get back from a trip to the states comfortably. Glad to get back into the charter gig again, but I had to sell my house, my cars, my boats, and a plane to make it happen. YMMV.

 

So when the stars align and your scheduled trip is canceled, is that when you win the perpetual OTP lottery?

I am perplexed by the sweetness of the trips that they magically (AND CONSISTANTLY) pick up all throughout the month! Some trips I see posted on Open Time, some trips are not. But they're all CHTR/XTRA with one or more deadheads.

No DTW or EWR overnights for them! I'm still confused how it's possible. I'm not whining, but wondering if I even understand the CRS process in order to enhance my QOL.

 

Anybody ever waited 12 hours for a trip trade to get processed? 16? 24? I have. Even waiting a couple of hours is unpleasant, and yes, can certainly affect you. There is no good reason for it, and though the crew force did say that we wanted real time trip trading, the negotiators decided we didn't really know what we wanted, or couldn't figure out how to put some thought into how to do it. For those of us who trip trade often, it is a huge aggravation.

Ever be waiting endlessly for a trip trade to process, and a better trip comes open? You have to make the decision of whether to delete your first request and try for the other one.....and then get earlier time stamped, and end up with nothing. Or as you're waiting many hours, someone swoops in with OTP and grabs it. It is aggravating, it doesn't keep up with the latest technology, and many other airlines are able to do this in real time. All so a couple of guys can cling to their priority trip trading?

 

If one has ever enjoyed the benefits of RTTT at a different airline, they would never say "it doesn't matter that much to me, I can wait a few hours to know the result of my bid line adjustment" - ridiculous.

RTTT changes QOL in a huge way, from the very senior to the very junior.

It was attainable this last round of negotiations, but as busdriver12 mentioned, our NC thought that they knew better than the average line guy and decided that it was not worth it, or too complex for our system form - false. A huge loss on one of our openers.

Hopefully next time around we make it happen. It would enhance our productivity as well, making it a big positive for the company. A win/win all the way around, except for the Wolf Pack, and CRS - as they'll need less people sitting around to push the "disapproved/insufficient reserves" button.

 

It doesn't have to be next time around.
It can be done NOW.

This is one of those rare WIN-WIN situations.

Company and pilots gain efficiency and everyone still gets their premium pay from OTP. CRS keeps their sticky fingers off the process and we can actually determine our schedules in a reasonable timeframe.

Wolfpack is wounded in a significant way. Their game fizzles into insignificance.

 

The Wolfpack has "fizzled into insignificance." What? What planet do you live on? You couldn't be more wrong and clueless. The worst offender is at it just as strong as ever. He hasn't had any interruption or scaling back of purloined charter trips and Xtra pairings. Get your facts straight before you make erroneous declarative statements that make you look like an oblivious idiot.

 

Before you declare him an oblivious idiot, you should reread and make sure you actually understand his post. Don't just read the last sentence.

 

Did, you look at the trip you wanted? If you did, you're too late. Are you trying to trade and input all of your trips for one long one... you're too late. You can submit a mu request, then look at the trip and if you don't want it, go in and cancel the request( if it hasn't been instantly processed).

Posturing is a big part of if. Drop all of your trips so there is no conflict and live on open time. If you aren't willing to do this, you're making it much more difficult. If you keep trips, all of your trips need to be the same code. You can't have mixed i.e., some mu some trp, etc.

Most of the big hitters have the auto ping running on fxcal and have giant holes for potential trips to drop.

Plenty more ways, but if you want to do the big trips and you only look at open time a couple times a day and you have to look at the trip and think about it, your chances are slim.

Pakage

 

This is exactly why I moved to the 777.