"TA or not a TA, that is not the question"?
08-19-2015, 05:45 AM
#11
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Not trying to feed the Management Troll.....but.......generically speaking:
If any deal is insufficient in the opinion of our MEC then they should not put it forward for a vote. 68% will vote yes on anything put out and the company knows that. I need the MEC and NC to be the hold the line on any NO-GO issues.
The company is over a barrel here - get what we need in this contract now before any "line pilots" need to review it.
If any deal is insufficient in the opinion of our MEC then they should not put it forward for a vote. 68% will vote yes on anything put out and the company knows that. I need the MEC and NC to be the hold the line on any NO-GO issues.
The company is over a barrel here - get what we need in this contract now before any "line pilots" need to review it.
08-19-2015, 05:56 AM
#12
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Are you kidding me. Not losing something is not a positive. It's a negative if it was not improved. Our bottom line calculation retirement number has not moved off of 260k in the 15 years I've been here. Just based on standard inflation from a CPI calculator that number should have risen to 360K just to keep pace with inflation since I've been here. And we are talking another 5-7 years in the future. So the retirement calculation number needs to be projected another 5 years at least.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.
08-19-2015, 06:06 AM
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Posts: 299
Originally Posted by kwri10s
Are you kidding me. Not losing something is not a positive. It's a negative if it was not improved. Our bottom line calculation retirement number has not moved off of 260k in the 15 years I've been here. Just based on standard inflation from a CPI calculator that number should have risen to 360K just to keep pace with inflation since I've been here. And we are talking another 5-7 years in the future. So the retirement calculation number needs to be projected another 5 years at least.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough our future.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough our future.
08-19-2015, 06:37 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by Patches
If any deal is insufficient in the opinion of our MEC then they should not put it forward for a vote. 68% will vote yes on anything put out and the company knows that. I need the MEC and NC to be the hold the line on any NO-GO issues.
Absolutely need the MEC to hold the line. It needs to be a great TA to them to send it to the members for a vote.
08-19-2015, 06:42 AM
#16
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Posts: 429
Originally Posted by kwri10s
Are you kidding me. Not losing something is not a positive. It's a negative if it was not improved. Our bottom line calculation retirement number has not moved off of 260k in the 15 years I've been here. Just based on standard inflation from a CPI calculator that number should have risen to 360K just to keep pace with inflation since I've been here. And we are talking another 5-7 years in the future. So the retirement calculation number needs to be projected another 5 years at least.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.
While we would all love for this to be the case……..it isn't. Unfortunately Ray is right.
08-19-2015, 06:48 AM
#17
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If great plains can't identify himself after making such an insider statement, we should throw this thread away along with his credibility. I'll start anther thread we can debate the possibility of a ta.
08-19-2015, 06:50 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by kwri10s
Are you kidding me. Not losing something is not a positive. It's a negative if it was not improved. Our bottom line calculation retirement number has not moved off of 260k in the 15 years I've been here. Just based on standard inflation from a CPI calculator that number should have risen to 360K just to keep pace with inflation since I've been here. And we are talking another 5-7 years in the future. So the retirement calculation number needs to be projected another 5 years at least.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.
08-19-2015, 07:00 AM
#20
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So you're saying that no one will "give" us what we deserve? If we want to have a better life, we have to demand and insist on improvements? You're saying that if we accept something that is less than what we deserve, we have only ourselves to blame? No one is going to be nice and morally right from the management side. It's not personal, just business?
Sounds like we sure should not roll over and take what they want us to have. If we have not fought in the trenches we probably did not improve our lot in life very much despite what the "numbers" sound like.
Sounds like we sure should not roll over and take what they want us to have. If we have not fought in the trenches we probably did not improve our lot in life very much despite what the "numbers" sound like.
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