"TA or not a TA, that is not the question"?
08-19-2015 | 12:50 PM
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An A plan only bump might benefit all, but quite possible it won't benefit those furthest from retirement.
A B plan only bump will have a greater impact on those furthest from retirement, but will benefit both groups equally while employed. And what could be better than that.
Plan I expect to see is a combination of both versus one or the other. Would like to see some more eggs in both baskets
A B plan only bump will have a greater impact on those furthest from retirement, but will benefit both groups equally while employed. And what could be better than that.
Plan I expect to see is a combination of both versus one or the other. Would like to see some more eggs in both baskets
08-19-2015 | 02:10 PM
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I think there may be an issue with your computer OS as your response is always the same - "What company?" Unless this is a personal attempt to be funny/something else........
If it's the OS - good luck/hate it for you, if it's the latter - well that's just pathetic.
I think there may be an issue with your computer OS as your response is always the same - "What company?" Unless this is a personal attempt to be funny/something else........
If it's the OS - good luck/hate it for you, if it's the latter - well that's just pathetic.
08-19-2015 | 02:37 PM
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I think there may be an issue with your computer OS as your response is always the same - "What company?" Unless this is a personal attempt to be funny/something else........
If it's the OS - good luck/hate it for you, if it's the latter - well that's just pathetic.
I think there may be an issue with your computer OS as your response is always the same - "What company?" Unless this is a personal attempt to be funny/something else........
If it's the OS - good luck/hate it for you, if it's the latter - well that's just pathetic.
did not realize you were the boss of the internet......
08-19-2015 | 04:09 PM
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So you're saying that no one will "give" us what we deserve? If we want to have a better life, we have to demand and insist on improvements? You're saying that if we accept something that is less than what we deserve, we have only ourselves to blame? No one is going to be nice and morally right from the management side. It's not personal, just business?
Sounds like we sure should not roll over and take what they want us to have. If we have not fought in the trenches we probably did not improve our lot in life very much despite what the "numbers" sound like.
Sounds like we sure should not roll over and take what they want us to have. If we have not fought in the trenches we probably did not improve our lot in life very much despite what the "numbers" sound like.
We will get nothing better until we act like we deserve it.
08-19-2015 | 04:10 PM
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Are you kidding me. Not losing something is not a positive. It's a negative if it was not improved. Our bottom line calculation retirement number has not moved off of 260k in the 15 years I've been here. Just based on standard inflation from a CPI calculator that number should have risen to 360K just to keep pace with inflation since I've been here. And we are talking another 5-7 years in the future. So the retirement calculation number needs to be projected another 5 years at least.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.
7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.
I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.
Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.
Whats goes on here is nothing different (generally speaking) than what goes on in our society. Be it politicians, CEOs, etc. It has been getting incrementally worse for decades. Until the people affected grow some nads and do something about it, the screw job just gets deeper. JMO though.
08-19-2015 | 10:55 PM
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I think there may be an issue with your computer OS as your response is always the same - "What company?" Unless this is a personal attempt to be funny/something else........
If it's the OS - good luck/hate it for you, if it's the latter - well that's just pathetic.
I think there may be an issue with your computer OS as your response is always the same - "What company?" Unless this is a personal attempt to be funny/something else........
If it's the OS - good luck/hate it for you, if it's the latter - well that's just pathetic.
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