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Old 08-19-2015, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella View Post
If you're a public company mgt's only goal is to increase the stock price.
Along with assuring the long term health of the stock.
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Old 08-19-2015, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by NoHaz View Post
I think he eats popcorn at the AOC but only from 9-5 M-f
Of course he does.

*$*@ Alpa's assessment on industry leading. We are not in their industry. They are pax guys earning pax profits from the cyclical pax business. Our business model earns more money. We are an industrial company and are treated as such. That's why the cargo cutout exists and why ALPA really doesn't care to fix it. That's why pax carriers are losing their minds over Emirates and Etihad and our CEO says those carriers are no problem. It's great to utilize ALPA resources, we've more than paid for them, but we need to exercise proper judgment when doing so.

Back to the matter at hand.

We need the MEC to filter. When you see the all blue calendars it's obvious we have a lot of pilots with poor judgement. The MEC vote is one of the only legal things we can do under the RLA to protect ourselves from corporate greed. If you're not glad they might keep a bad TA from a vote you are a management tool.

Whatever the quality of this TA, Do you really think we'll get compensated for the 2 yrs without a new CBA? Not a chance.

This thing better be REALLY good for how much they've saved over 2 yrs.

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Old 08-19-2015, 07:24 AM
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The same guy who refers to a Block Rep as SB1 Ray. His only other posts on APC were to defend the dishonorable actions of a disgruntled former committee chairman who was trying to have the ALPA First Vice President and a number of our MEC members expelled from ALPA. That sounds like the guy who until recently occupied not a cubicle on Democrat or Hacks Cross, but a west-facing office on Kirby Pkwy.

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I hear you Tony. But a management guy could also figure out which block reps were standing in the way of killing our A plan and hope (work?) for there demise.

Crooked senior ALPA guy (officer?) might just be synonymous with management negotiator....They do the same harm.

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Old 08-19-2015, 07:45 AM
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Damn management must really be desperate. Nah I will just take my 24 hour layover in China after operating from Europe and see how much more fatigued I can get.
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Old 08-19-2015, 09:33 AM
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Wow. Methinks that things are about to get very interesting, very soon.
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Old 08-19-2015, 09:36 AM
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If they don't bump up the $260 high five, we should vote it down.

Note: I will not retire under this contract, unless it is a very, very long one, so don't lump me in the with old guys.

I want a higher A plan for everyone from here on out.

Just like I want the 25K for everyone from here on out.
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Greatplains View Post
On Wednesday the MEC is set to evaluate a comprehensive CBA package, which is the direct result of a conclusion to bargaining. Yes, I said did say conclusion, but It really does not matter what you call the deal, bargaining is over. The leaks on the major are very, very promising. I have just talked to a person who is on the MEC email chains that has just received copies of the package highlights which includes the ALPA National costing numbers and it is a total package deal worth more than 1.5B in improvements. Bottom line, it is easily an industry leading CBA, when all items are weighed. Additionally the NC has reached a deal to NOT split out new hires from the pension and there are improvements to our B plan. That was the topic of the most recent letter sent out and signed by the whole MEC, Bravo!

So what's the bad news? The bad news is the reason I am posting this because there are nasty (verified) rumors that a majority portion of our MEC are seriously considering to not allow the NC to sign this package deal, and as such, the membership will not be afforded the chance to see it, let alone vote on this, why you ask? The lone issue is the A plan, yes it was saved but there were apparently no "golden parachutes, VEBA gift cards, bags of money, etc." for those walking out the door soon. Translation; there are a group of people on the MEC who now think that the younger age groups should be willing to give A plan improvements, to only a select group of "senior" pilots and at the cost of universally applied benefits. That sounds like reverse age discrimination to me ? We should only have plans/benefits that apply to all pilots, especially not one designed to pay more money to the same group that has already enjoyed 5 more years of living at the top of the food chain! Our NC preserved our pension, for all, and improved our B fund. What else could we really expect and hope for more than that? Improving an industry leading penion was never a valid option, but adding more money to the B fund is a great way to adjust for inflation and have more money in an individuals control. We continue to have the BEST of both worlds.

If this concerns you, please contact your rep, ask questions and demand that the MEC allow the NC to take this deal then to send it out to us for a vote. If it is not a TA, then make it one; CONTRACT NOW is here, let's not grasp defeat from jaws of victory. It is time for the line pilots to evaluate this deal and let us all move on with our lives.

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Old 08-19-2015, 10:30 AM
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Greatplains,

You asked what I should expect. I expect the high five average amount to keep up with the cost of inflation. How long has it been capped at 260K? It is long past time for the high five amount to be bumped. Some say up to 320k, others say higher.

I will not retire under this contract, but if it is not bumped up now, than when? How long should we have to wait? I get that the company does not want to bump it up, but they have saved a ton of money from our sweat over the last two years. Money that we will never recoup. Also, with age 65, they don't have to pay out our pension over as many years.

The B plan bump is only good if you have a lot of years left.

I would be in favor of a B plan bump and an A plan high five bump, but not only one or the other.

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Old 08-19-2015, 11:05 AM
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An A plan bump benefits all while just a B plan bump benefits mostly those further from retirement.
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:50 PM
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An A plan only bump might benefit all, but quite possible it won't benefit those furthest from retirement.
A B plan only bump will have a greater impact on those furthest from retirement, but will benefit both groups equally while employed. And what could be better than that.

Plan I expect to see is a combination of both versus one or the other. Would like to see some more eggs in both baskets
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