Busboy

What about this one:

Remember pre-Fox? A deviator got the higher of the original accepted fare or the actual, purchased, scheduled fare.

That was taken that away from us, without any changes to CBA language or even a grievance, after the fact. They just did it. Why? Because they could. Because it was not expressly written in the CBA.

PolicyWonk

The incident to which I refer was shortly before we got Fleet Managers. I probably should have used the old handle, ACP.

Long after 1998.

Do you have a feel for why this TA raised the threshold at which additional permission is required for transportation to hotels from $100 to $150 but left it unchanged at $100 from a residence?

I'd guess inflation in the case of the first. But why no bump in the second? It doesn't impact me yet, but I'm interested.

I'm with you on reimbursement of personal travel. I was told the company would like to reimburse tolls also, but the lawyers in other cases set precedent and went after deep pockets.

Such is life in a society with a world class ratio of lawyers like ours has.

Maybe if Memphis gets toll roads, it will change.

Do you think UberX constitutes commercial carrier for the sake of definitions in our contract, or only Uber? Insurance issues vis a vis liability.

What were you referring to when you mentioned the $200?

FDXLAG

And we didn't bother to grieve it.

Busboy

Part of the "businesslike relationship" our leaders have nurtured in that last 6 years. That and the great relationship with the NMB, we earned with our revolutionary interim contract agreement got us this TA.

Maybe we'll grieve train fares reinterpreted to ground transport once the bean counters read all this.

Raptor

Why does anyone think section 8 now states that we're responsible for $25 in ticket costs for tickets after the 2nd? The current CBA allows the company to charge us for the costs--and they don't have to wait until the 2nd change!

I think there are a couple of reasons. The first, is that what they are doing is now firmly entrenched in past practice. The second reason, is they can't start charging us in section 6 negotiations as they would be changing the status quo. So, they have craftily given us something better....no charges until after the 2nd ticket and they will be kind enough to limit it to $25. But, now they have changed it. No longer held to past practice.

So, everyone should expect all costs to now be passed on to the pilots. It seemed like a gain, but if the language went unchanged, the company's hands would still have been tied by past practice if we grieved the change.

It's the little things like this that drive me crazy. Seems like an innocuous change, but it fixes a company problem.

I look at all blue and red language like I'm going to be a company exploiter...if I can think it, I assume they're going to do it. This is one section where we would have been better off staying with the original language and not accepting a change for the "better".

FDXLAG

The accepted fare mess actually goes back to 2007 I think.

Raptor

No one has really pointed out that you have to deviate PRIOR to the bid period beginning to get the two-look accepted fare.

What do people think the ramifications of that are?

busdriver12

I didn't notice that. That one is definitely sneaky, perhaps trying to get us to deviate early, potentially before they buy the ticket at a higher fare. I wonder if there's a way around it....ie drop the trip and pick it back up, swap it with someone and pick it back up. You can't deviate prior to the bid period unless you were the initial trip holder. I wonder how that works, if you swap onto something after the bid period commences.

Raptor

I thought of that drop trip and pick back up trick too. That's also my way around the $25 charge after 2nd deviation ticket change!

I think it's an interesting question on how the pairings will look. Trip 1 DH to EWR, deviated before bid period by pilot A, then dropped into open time. Trip 2 DH to EWR, never deviated by pilot B, then dropped into open time. Both DHs take place on the same flight. Will trip one have a Baseline fare of $300 and an Established fare of $450 where Trip 2 will remain at $300. Will the pilot that picks up the open time trip get the Established fare of $450 for trip 1? That's what I thought at first, but then I look at the definition:

"Established Fare: A fare quote obtained pursuant to Section 8.A.4.b. The fare quote shall include documentation which verifies the time and date that the fare quote was obtained and the employee number for the pilot(s), if any, assigned to the deadhead at that time."

Why would they go to all the trouble of time stamp and employee number of pilot assigned, if they weren't going to remove that Established fare if he dropped it? Therefore, I think all open time trips will be at baseline fare which is no change from today. The only trip you can pick up from open time that will have a "real" fare will be a revision or x-pairing. Not a very good or comprehensive change. And, we sold First Class DHs and HILO for this type of underwhelming stuff?

The company had already thought of how to bilk us out of the hidden $800 million in contract 2006. I'm already figuring out how I get around some of the new provisions in case the TA passes! But, it also looks like they are clever once again and are figuring how to get around seeming good enhancements like two-look fares.

Take a close look at the wording of the rolling deviation bank. It says next month it will be 50%. Doesn't say month after month...that's just how we interpret it and how the NC says it will work. Nowhere in the TA language do I see rolling or month-after-month.

busdriver12

That one, I don't quite understand yet. I initially thought it was a good thing, saying that if there was any charge, that we only had to pay $25, not that we had to pay $25 for two changes. I thought that if there was zero charge, no matter how many changes there was, we paid zero. I was considering that in situations like we have now with Southwest, if you don't cancel in time (I'm not sure of the timeframe, maybe an hour prior), you get charged for the full ticket. So if you forget, you're paying for the entire ticket, and with the TA, you'd only pay $25. Sure would like more detailed information that just intent.