Man, I knew we were hiring smart guys. I hope CAVOK84 never decides to join the grammar police here.

 

Sorry, I had a ton of coffee and woke up on the wrong side of the bed! Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that there aren't plenty of No guys freaking out over misconceptions, nor am I arguing that the Yes guys should not be equally heard.

It's just difficult for some of our reps to keep their credibility in my eyes given the content of their recent emails.

 

Delta, pilots restart labor contract negotiations


Dec 23, 2015

Aaron Karp


Delta Air Lines A330-300
Airbus

Delta Air Lines’ pilots have returned to labor contract negotiations more than five months after rejecting a tentative agreement.

The Delta Master Executive Council (MEC) of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) endorsed a tentative labor deal with Delta management in June and sent it to the airline’s nearly 13,000 pilots for a ratification vote, but the rank-and-file flight deck crew rejected it by a 65%-35% vote in July. The MEC leadership stepped down following the vote, and the Delta pilots went into “reset mode,” according to ALPA president Tim Canoll.

The Delta MEC, led by new head John Malone, “re-engaged Delta Air Lines management in contract negotiations,” ALPA said in a Dec. 22 statement.

Malone said the pilots “put a substantial package on the table, calling for major increases in pay, benefits and work rules, representing a significant—and justified—increase to Delta’s operating costs.” He added that “Delta is one of the most profitable airlines in the industry,” justifying pay hikes for flight deck crew.

The pilots’ current labor contract with Delta becomes amendable Dec. 31. The contract’s terms will remain in place as Delta and ALPA negotiate.

“We will further review the proposal we received [from the MEC] and look forward to engaging with ALPA in negotiations to reach an agreement that is good for both Delta and its pilots,” Delta said in a statement.

After the pilots rejected the tentative agreement, Delta shelved an order for 40 new Boeing 737-900ERs and 20 used Embraer E190s. But the airline earlier this month partly revived the order, reaching agreement with Boeing for 20 new 737-900ERs and up to 20 E190s previously operated by Air Canada and now owned by Boeing. A Delta spokesperson told ATW the new deal for E190s “was done under what is [allowed] under the current contract” with its pilots.




See also: New Contract Opener 22 Dec 15








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Something to be said about doing it right.

 

So six months to the start, you expecting a quick finish? You willing to trade for their openers?

 

July to December is not quite six months.

And while your second question indicates you've missed the larger point (it doesn't take 2 years to regroup and re-engage), I'm willing to entertain their hourly rate increases:

Increase hourly rates by:
22% effective January 1, 2016
7% effective January 1, 2017
7% effective January 1, 2018

No giveback of profit sharing, and

Duration

3-year contract, amendable December 31, 2018


Not a bad start.






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And its all pointless. No sense what ifing when our TA is a done deal.

 

It is a nice start, particularly how crappy their TA was, cleaning house does wonders. I didn't miss the point my overunder of 18 months looks pretty good, what is your guess on an approved Delta TA. They are nice pay rates, wouldn't trade my crappy A Plan, sick policy, or vacation for them though. Our contract wasn't perfect, so far I am happy. I'll let you know how I feel in 6 years.

 

Those are the union's openers, not the companies. Seems that would be the max they'd end up with, unless management said, "Sure guys, whatever you want." Not likely.

They certainly deserve to snap back to what their rates used to be, including inflation, as a minimum.

 

I hope not ...

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