Training conflict with R-days
12-19-2015, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
It's simply a matter of legality. If you put training in a particular spot and that results in you being illegal to sit reserve on one of your scheduled R-days, then the R-day gets dropped. Once those legalities are accounted for, if you've still split your R-days with training then they all go away.
Once "TBD" has been achieved (whenever that is), this may become moot. If you have a 12 hour buffer either side of training, getting it to "touch" your R-days IAW the new contract would be like trying to touch two similar pole magnets. So, I'm not sure how the new CBA will account for buffers and still allow training to conflict with R-days and drop them. I would guess that any conflict resulting in an R-day drop would trigger the whole block to go away.
Once "TBD" has been achieved (whenever that is), this may become moot. If you have a 12 hour buffer either side of training, getting it to "touch" your R-days IAW the new contract would be like trying to touch two similar pole magnets. So, I'm not sure how the new CBA will account for buffers and still allow training to conflict with R-days and drop them. I would guess that any conflict resulting in an R-day drop would trigger the whole block to go away.
12-19-2015, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
If I had training on Tuesday at 6am I could legally be on RB on Monday for 4 1/2 hours. If the sim was at 10am I could be legal for most of the RB period on Monday! My point is why did the whole R day go away and how much negotiating capitol was spent on the fix?
12-19-2015, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
I don't believe we've ever been able to stand (sit? Whatever) a partial day of reserve. It's all or nothing.
12-19-2015, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
Obviously, you have never received the phone call saying your 1 in 7 starts now, part way into an R day and your back on at xx:xx tomorrow, which is another partial R day.
Have you ever gotten a crew notification about a conflict for the next month that says due to a conflict with your recurrent training you have 4 hours of an A-reserve period on a particular day? No, you haven't. The whole day stays in your schedule or the whole thing gets removed.
12-19-2015, 07:32 PM
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We can talk until we're blue in the face... BL is we have to account for a 12 hr buffer prior to our training start in order for it to drop the entire R day block. I dropped a whole R day block with only one day to the left of it, but my training started at 14:00 so didn't know that's why. All of this according to old CBA. Got it.
New one it will not matter, as I read it. It touches an R day, it drops the block.
New one it will not matter, as I read it. It touches an R day, it drops the block.
12-20-2015, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
If I had training on Tuesday at 6am I could legally be on RB on Monday for 4 1/2 hours. If the sim was at 10am I could be legal for most of the RB period on Monday! My point is why did the whole R day go away and how much negotiating capitol was spent on the fix?
It's obvious that you think there is some sort of conspiracy by the company and union on this. I'll just go back to my spot on the grassy knoll.
12-20-2015, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
If I had training on Tuesday at 6am I could legally be on RB on Monday for 4 1/2 hours. If the sim was at 10am I could be legal for most of the RB period on Monday! My point is why did the whole R day go away and how much negotiating capitol was spent on the fix?
Many pilots enjoy the process and many more CH will be lumped into the view/add process with the new rules, but do not confuse this concept/rule with something that we should of spent any of the elusive "negotiating capital" on to "fix" as this process certainly is a company efficiency, not ours. However, it has a nice side effect of allowing us to leapfrog our seniority a few times a year.
12-21-2015, 12:47 PM
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This is sort of on topic since this thread seems to be a good discussion of contractual language...
As far as our contract is concerned, what is the legal meaning of the word "Shall". It's all over our contract, and my assumption would be that "shall" means "will" and implies an obligation. As opposed to "may" which implies there might be other options.
An example in our CBA would be: "4.H.1. A pilot who is assigned a trip(s) or base standby in reserve status shall have the trip guarantee or standby pay credited toward his leveling and/or RLG as follows:"
Does that "shall" obligate the company to provide a pilot what is described in that section?
As far as our contract is concerned, what is the legal meaning of the word "Shall". It's all over our contract, and my assumption would be that "shall" means "will" and implies an obligation. As opposed to "may" which implies there might be other options.
An example in our CBA would be: "4.H.1. A pilot who is assigned a trip(s) or base standby in reserve status shall have the trip guarantee or standby pay credited toward his leveling and/or RLG as follows:"
Does that "shall" obligate the company to provide a pilot what is described in that section?
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