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05-25-2016, 08:55 AM
#31
Proponent of Hysteria
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Originally Posted by MeXC
"You would have to come up with something that benefits both the old and young, so it is fair to both age groups. Don't screw the young to help the old, and don't do the reverse either."
Are we talking Age 65 or retirement?
Are we talking Age 65 or retirement?
Originally Posted by PeterGriffin
That is a huge question. Right now, you can get your "high five" and coast til 25 years of service and retire with full A fund retirement. Plus, people like the option of retiring a little early (58, 59) with minimal impact to A fund retirement. What formula are they gonna use? Working your tail off to 65 with a higher B fund??
05-25-2016, 09:16 AM
#32
"blue collar thug"!
Joined APC: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
This is a stand alone item. We're not in negotiations, we're not delaying raises or contract benefits. It will be easy for every single pilot to judge the merits of changing this. Why would we accept anything short of better than what we have? The company is prosperous, and there is no reason to accept anything except for improvements, so why would we do otherwise?
Because we have many times in the past?
05-25-2016, 09:48 AM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,756
Originally Posted by iarapilot
Because we have many times in the past?
This one should be simple. Not sure even the best lawyers could sneak their way around this one. Hopefully not famous last words.....
Theoretically I think they could work out a win/win situation. If not, we say no, and there is absolutely no reason to agree otherwise. Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but I hope the union does a decent job of keeping us in the loop.
05-25-2016, 04:51 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
I know that's a perspective that many people have, however, those issues have been far more complicated, with different ways to interpret things, plenty of lawyerese wording, positives and negatives that go on forever.
This one should be simple. Not sure even the best lawyers could sneak their way around this one. Hopefully not famous last words.....
Theoretically I think they could work out a win/win situation. If not, we say no, and there is absolutely no reason to agree otherwise. Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but I hope the union does a decent job of keeping us in the loop.
This one should be simple. Not sure even the best lawyers could sneak their way around this one. Hopefully not famous last words.....
Theoretically I think they could work out a win/win situation. If not, we say no, and there is absolutely no reason to agree otherwise. Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but I hope the union does a decent job of keeping us in the loop.
You are optimistic.
And I am pessimistic. Now if things would average out. 
05-27-2016, 10:21 PM
#36
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: Bespoke Tailor
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You guys complain WAYYY too much for a pilot group who barely flies. You want to compare yourself to Delta? Then start flying the same schedule. A FedEx 76 Captain flies from MEM-TUS and has a 16 hour layover. A captain at Delta would fly ATL-MCO-ATL-SFO with the same layover, and they end up finishing their trip in ATL 3 days later. Seriously...you guys live the life of Ryan. Regardless of people or boxes, the job is the same.
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05-27-2016, 10:33 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by PlaneFan82
You guys complain WAYYY too much for a pilot group who barely flies. You want to compare yourself to Delta? Then start flying the same schedule. A FedEx 76 Captain flies from MEM-TUS and has a 16 hour layover. A captain at Delta would fly ATL-MCO-ATL-SFO with the same layover, and they end up finishing their trip in ATL 3 days later. Seriously...you guys live the life of Ryan. Regardless of people or boxes, the job is the same.
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You might have a point. But when you have been doing the same kind of trips forever, there is always room for improvement. Just like contracts.
05-27-2016, 10:45 PM
#38
Organizational Learning
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Originally Posted by PlaneFan82
You guys complain WAYYY too much for a pilot group who barely flies. You want to compare yourself to Delta? Then start flying the same schedule. A FedEx 76 Captain flies from MEM-TUS and has a 16 hour layover. A captain at Delta would fly ATL-MCO-ATL-SFO with the same layover, and they end up finishing their trip in ATL 3 days later. Seriously...you guys live the life of Ryan. Regardless of people or boxes, the job is the same.
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16 hour layover must be nice.
Thanks for playing.
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05-28-2016, 01:38 AM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
Originally Posted by PlaneFan82
You guys complain WAYYY too much for a pilot group who barely flies....Seriously...you guys live the life of Ryan. Regardless of people or boxes, the job is the same.
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