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Spartan, Tulsa for VA?

Old 06-16-2017, 11:53 AM
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Long story short, I've been on the sidelines for a year. I took a year to solidify my finances to survive a move out of my home state to pursue a degree and flight training.

I have full GI Bill coverage, and I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck, since I already have a Bachelor's.

I thought I had it all worked out. My first choice was ASU, but surprise surprise, they aren't in compliance with 85/15. Not really their fault, just shows how popular that program was.

My 2nd choice was FSC in Jacksonville. Apparently their new policy does not allow for VA benefits to be applied to flight labs.

Which brings me to Spartan. I know the overall vibe in flight training is 'buyer beware' and the programs that seem too good to be true, usually are. So I'm curious as to why I haven't seen to much about these guys? I've done a few forum searches, but it's only really mentioned in passing.

If I can transfer my credits over from my previous undergrad degrees, and apply for an AS or BS with them, I could use R-ATP mins. Can anyone with GI Bill experience / Spartan background provide some basic input?
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Old 06-16-2017, 05:31 PM
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I'm not sure about Spartan, but since you are looking in the area, you might as well look at Oklahoma State and University of Oklahoma.

Something to keep in mind, if you are going to a university because of the ATP-R hour reduction, you will have to get a degree from there. Some of your previous hours might transfer, but for the 1000 hour mins, you still have to complete 60 hours of approved aviation classes. 1250 mins I believe are 30 hours in aviation courses. Both you still have to graduate from the college not just complete the 141 program.

Another thing to consider, I'm sure you already have, but there are 141 schools that accept VA benefits. Most of them you have to pay for your private out of pocket then the rest is covered with the VA benefits. If you go this route, you still have to hit the 1,500 hours, however, you might consider if you will get the 1,500 hours through a 141 school (and instructing) faster than attempting to do another college degree and hitting 1,250 or 1,000 hours.
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Old 06-16-2017, 05:58 PM
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I'm not sure about Spartan, but since you are looking in the area, you might as well look at Oklahoma State and University of Oklahoma.

Something to keep in mind, if you are going to a university because of the ATP-R hour reduction, you will have to get a degree from there. Some of your previous hours might transfer, but for the 1000 hour mins, you still have to complete 60 hours of approved aviation classes. 1250 mins I believe are 30 hours in aviation courses. Both you still have to graduate from the college not just complete the 141 program.

Another thing to consider, I'm sure you already have, but there are 141 schools that accept VA benefits. Most of them you have to pay for your private out of pocket then the rest is covered with the VA benefits. If you go this route, you still have to hit the 1,500 hours, however, you might consider if you will get the 1,500 hours through a 141 school (and instructing) faster than attempting to do another college degree and hitting 1,250 or 1,000 hours.
Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea OU had an aviation department.

I don't mind the university aspect, mostly because the most of the gen-ed courses will transfer. Sure, there will be 1 or 2 that I'll have to make up, but the trade off for R-ATP is worth it.

Also, because of the way the GI Bill works, that's kind of the way for me to get the most out of the program technically. If I'm enrolled at a university, I'll be paid a housing stipend as well.

I have looked long and hard at 141 schools, but the common thread there is that the out of pocket expenses are just too great. At almost all of the schools I've looked at (here in FL) I'd need to take a break in the middle of my commercial track, to wait for the financial year to reset for my benefits. The same would happen with multi, and every other rating after CFI.

If I missed one, please by all means set me straight. Non-degree 141 would absolutely be faster, if I could train straight through. Unfortunately, the way the VA has vocational training structured, it just isn't really an option.
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:50 PM
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I'm actually in the application stage for Spartan and was curious about this school as well. I have a bachelor's degree in Aeronautics from ERAU Worldwide with 60 hours of aviation classes and the admissions guy said it could transfer which was new to me. Anyone have any information on this?
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