galaxy flyer

just about every state has a flying ANG unit, many have USAF Reserve units—most send people to UPT. I had five UPT students at one time going thru Laughlin.

dclevenger100

Having been in the Guard and a Back Seater (Crew Chief On Blackhawks) I can tell you for a fact its waaaayyyyy more than 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks for Annual Training. AFTP Flight Training Periods account for another almost 4 days worth of time to keep current and get current. Yes you get paid for those periods so its not all that bad and you can always volunteer for other special missions that pay and flight time accur. Always some kind of special mission with a Blackhawk Unit. My North Carolina unit we did missions with Robin Sage which is with the Special Forces school there at Ft Bragg and that was all Guard time. Here in Indiana when I retired in 2013 our hawk folks were flying around Counter Drug personnel looking for dope fields all summer long. My OH-58 Pilot would get 20 plus hours a year just from that alone.

We called them High School to Flight School kids. Great way to go if your interested in the Military. Good flying, good instructors and always take care of the "back seater" please, they can make your life just as hard as the instructor if you don't, LOL.

theoriginalturk

You’re info is outdated, the service commitment for WOFT is ten years not six. It was raised recently. Also I’d double check with Alaska if they can offer a service commitment shorter than the rest of the army, I doubt they can.

FangsOut03

Does anything age well on APC?? 😂😂😂

Dfwnightflyer

Well I hope everyone sees the fallacy in taking out a 6 figure loan to learn how to fly.
Pay as you go or join the military.

Air Guitar

Everyone wants a shortcut while hoping to omit the possible negative tradeoff, especially when you're in your early 20's. There's plenty of genuine advice from people here, he just has to accept it.

Chipjumper

I just re- read the OP’s post. What is with the “$180 car note” and “$180 insurance” premium? Why is your credit so tanked that you have to pay 100% of your car payment for insurance? If your cashflow situation is so rough, then buy a $1000 car and only pay for basic insurance. I’m probably double your age but my full coverage premiums are $40/mo for my cash-bought cars.
The “$1000 car” is nothing to be afraid of. I would have no problem driving one if I had to save up my pennies to pay for training again.
Otherwise you can hope & pray that Bin-Lidan makes the “free college” thing come true.

oohelix

So I'm reading this post and can't help but feel it relates to my situation. I've just turned 25 and I only have an introductory flight under my belt from when I was 16 or 18 years old and I want to fly. I haven't finished my AA and I currently work a job on an Airport ramp that pays $11.85 an hour. I'm currently attempting to apply for a loan for about over $100000 with Sallie Mae, with little luck, and I really need some solid advice on whether to go through with it or not. Like is now a good time for me to go through with ATP under the assumption I can get the loan or should someone in my position turn tail and run? Flying has been something I've wanted to do since I got into high school and I felt amazing when I took my first introductory flight at National Aviation academy. That was years ago though but I still dream of being a pilot as a career. I just don't know if what I'm pursuing is a pipe dream and that I should just settle with something else that I don't enjoy as much but at a much lower risk. Could anyone manage to help give me some direction with this?

Chipjumper

Wow where do we begin? I can already tell that you aren’t a fool as you’re enrolled in community college for that AA; you’re saving a boatload already. Please please don’t commit yourself to Uber-debt by borrowing Uber-money to attend a technical school that guarantees you nothing (especially right now). To each his own but just ask any regional FO in-person the next time you travel via the airlines. Of the few commercial flights I’ve made since the CCP virus hit, the FO’s attitudes were rough. “This Shall Pass” but keep in mind that even with the hiring boom, there still was an overload of students. The actual shortage was for trained and experienced (1200+ hour) pilots. Paying $100k+ to ATP or any other pilot-mill is ****ing away cash. Yeah for $100k, ATP will get you your PPL IFR and Multi but you can do that in your own:
PPL: $110 for CFI & bird x 55hrs = $6050
IFR: $4000 (assuming 20 hours Redbird FMX for sim time at $20/hr) plus actual aircraft and advance CFI cost)
Multiengine & Commercial: $7500 https://multienginerate.com/what-to-expect
So my numbers are at $18,000 plus tax plus DPE fees. So like twenty grand for what ATP offers you for one-hundred grand. You could totally do this out-of-pocket if you really tried. First step is to dump the $11/hr job (unemployment is paying $16.50/hr right now) and work full time. I’ll PM you with some ideas including a firm that’ll pay you $100k/yr+ and pay for college...(not military).

powersmurfuk1

Really curious at your response. Currently about to finish off PPL, and will move onto IFR. My instructor is @ $100 p/h (current Capt with one of the majors teaching because he loves it rather than has to). Bird is $130 p/h.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you need 250 total hrs to get Commerical? So based on 170 hrs @ $130 just on plane is $22,100. I based this on just completing commerical and not IFR as I've already budged for that.

Thank you in advanced for your response.